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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by badnewzxl » Jan 3rd, '12, 20:40

yourcrapsweak wrote:There are so many things being discussed at once, I don't know who is saying what anymore. But I will tell you almost everything I've heard in this topic is utterly ridiculous in my opinion. FCW feuding with WWE, a new new Nexus, FCW breaking off as a fake independent just for a feud with WWE... It's all just stupid if you think about it.

Look, FCW is a developmental territory for WWE. It's where guys get primed for WWE. Once they make it to WWE, they should be done with FCW because they've finally graduated. It's like a 9th grader saying "Hey I'm in high school finally and I'm going to represent my middle school," which is fine, but to FIGHT for them is stupid because you're DONE with it. There's absolutely no benefit for fighting for it. Even if you kayfabe book them as FCW guys invading WWE, they still in kayfabe have made it to the show and therefore have achieved what they're fighting for immediately. It makes zero sense.
when you're older, you'll understand that comparing wrestling promotions with schools is stupid; not the same at all, buddy.

If the topic's so stupid, stop posting every three posts :p
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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by Big Red Machine » Jan 3rd, '12, 23:23

badnewzxl wrote:1. two factions battling one another can def qualify as a war IF YOU PUSH IT AS SO. Everyone was fair game to the nWo too, but it was still a war.

2. Yea; it may not be as good as the CZW v. ROH feud (esp not to the ppl who experienced it). But most of WWE's fanbase HAS NOT; so the comparison won't be there for non ROH/CZW fans. You say yourself all the time that you can't book for smarks; so how would the ROH/CZW feud effect this proposed FCW/WWE feud? Most of the WWE universe is completely oblivious to ROH and CZW in general.

And remember: This is a What if; a hypothetical situation. It's "If FCW____, then ____" not "Why____? Because___" We're trying to use our imaginations here, not sell WWE a storyline
1. which is what I'm saying. Nexus didn't feel like a war because it was two factions fighting each other. It felt like a war because they would go after absolutely anyone (as opposed to a feud like Fortune vs. Immortal, where they just went after the guys they were feuding with, and it didn't really feel like a war at all).

2. You are misunderstanding what I am saying. I am saying that a feud like that needs special circumstances in order to work. As YCW has been saying, if you get a bunch of guys showing up on WWE TV saying "we're from FCW and we are better than the WWE!" or "we are here to take your spots!" everyone will go "who the f*ck are these guys and what the f*ck is FCW?" Then, when they find out, they will laugh it off. In order to do a feud like this, the promotions need to be of comparable size, or one the smaller one has to be presented as something very different and something that is threatening because of that difference. The best example I can give would be something like CZW guys showing up in WWE and just being presented as being dangerous. Not ultra-violent (although that can be a component of it); Dangerous. Guys who use moves or do things that will put people out of action. Things like piledrivers, head-drops, and going for the eyes. This would force the WWE guys to adapt in order to fight off these vicious invaders, because if they don't adapt, the CZW guys will put them out of action. The smaller promotion needs to be seen as something different enough and threatening enough that it overcomes the "who the hell are these guys?" factor.

The ROH-CZW feud had those special factors. The promotions were about the same size (ROH had a larger territory, but CZW was older, so they got some points for seniority), and were so different from each other in a way that made the conflict into a war. The fans were different, the management styles of the companies were different, the wrestling styles were different, and, aside from Claudio, the rosters were very different. A WWE vs. FCW feud won't have any of these factors, and FCW is so small that there is almost no way they will be able to presented as different enough to be a threat.
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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by badnewzxl » Jan 3rd, '12, 23:51

1. so then you agree that it WAS a war? Nexus was "other" bc only one of them even had a WWE contract; the rest were "unemployed"

2. what you said here:
if you get a bunch of guys showing up on WWE TV saying "we're from FCW and we are better than the WWE!" or "we are here to take your spots!" everyone will go "who the f*ck are these guys and what the f*ck is FCW?"
is my exact point; to try to get some FCW guys over. You get them over in developmental and they don't have to start from scratch when they do get called up to the WWE. Ppl will at least have an idea of what to expect from them. The entire angle would be designed to give FCW more exposure; not to make the WWE look strong (they don't need that). Thats why I said I'd involve guys like Ryder, Riley, Gabriel, etc. You say the fans will laugh it off when they figure it out; well the angle will only work on the folks who DON'T KNOW WHAT FCW IS, which is still a majority of the WWE Universe. Only ppl on forums like this will even figure that out bc:
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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by Big Red Machine » Jan 4th, '12, 01:15

badnewzxl wrote:1. so then you agree that it WAS a war? Nexus was "other" bc only one of them even had a WWE contract; the rest were "unemployed"

2. what you said here:
if you get a bunch of guys showing up on WWE TV saying "we're from FCW and we are better than the WWE!" or "we are here to take your spots!" everyone will go "who the f*ck are these guys and what the f*ck is FCW?"
is my exact point; to try to get some FCW guys over. You get them over in developmental and they don't have to start from scratch when they do get called up to the WWE. Ppl will at least have an idea of what to expect from them. The entire angle would be designed to give FCW more exposure; not to make the WWE look strong (they don't need that). Thats why I said I'd involve guys like Ryder, Riley, Gabriel, etc. You say the fans will laugh it off when they figure it out; well the angle will only work on the folks who DON'T KNOW WHAT FCW IS, which is still a majority of the WWE Universe. Only ppl on forums like this will even figure that out bc:
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1. Yes. I agree that it was a war, but I am disagree with your reasoning for why it felt like war (rather than regular feud between stables)

2. Here is the problem with your logic: The guys that WWE chooses to represent FCW in this feud... will have already made it to the main roster. Being selected for this feud (and being featured on WWE TV because of it) is making it to the main roster. So we still know nothing about them when they make it.

Using guys who have already made it to the WWE roster like Gabriel and Riley (and even guys like Husky Harris) also defeats your stated goal of getting these guys some exposure before they first come up because those guys have already gotten WWE exposure.
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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by badnewzxl » Jan 4th, '12, 01:26

Big Red Machine wrote:
badnewzxl wrote:1. so then you agree that it WAS a war? Nexus was "other" bc only one of them even had a WWE contract; the rest were "unemployed"

2. what you said here:
if you get a bunch of guys showing up on WWE TV saying "we're from FCW and we are better than the WWE!" or "we are here to take your spots!" everyone will go "who the f*ck are these guys and what the f*ck is FCW?"
is my exact point; to try to get some FCW guys over. You get them over in developmental and they don't have to start from scratch when they do get called up to the WWE. Ppl will at least have an idea of what to expect from them. The entire angle would be designed to give FCW more exposure; not to make the WWE look strong (they don't need that). Thats why I said I'd involve guys like Ryder, Riley, Gabriel, etc. You say the fans will laugh it off when they figure it out; well the angle will only work on the folks who DON'T KNOW WHAT FCW IS, which is still a majority of the WWE Universe. Only ppl on forums like this will even figure that out bc:
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1. Yes. I agree that it was a war, but I am disagree with your reasoning for why it felt like war (rather than regular feud between stables)

2. Here is the problem with your logic: The guys that WWE chooses to represent FCW in this feud... will have already made it to the main roster. Being selected for this feud (and being featured on WWE TV because of it) is making it to the main roster. So we still know nothing about them when they make it.

Using guys who have already made it to the WWE roster like Gabriel and Riley (and even guys like Husky Harris) also defeats your stated goal of getting these guys some exposure before they first come up because those guys have already gotten WWE exposure.
I'd use Gabriel, Riley, etc on the WWE side of the war; the FCW guys' beef would be that they felt THEY deserved to be moved up to WWE over the guys like Riley and Gabriel. Their being overlooked by WWE would lead them to discredit WWE and claim FCW to be better bc THEY are there and THEY (the FCW guys) are better.

Of course being on WWE tv signifies that they are brought up to the main show; it was obvious during the Nexus angle but the angle still claimed that all but Barrett were not under contract. Is that not that kayfabe thing you're always talking about?
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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by Big Red Machine » Jan 4th, '12, 11:05

badnewzxl wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote:
1. Yes. I agree that it was a war, but I am disagree with your reasoning for why it felt like war (rather than regular feud between stables)

2. Here is the problem with your logic: The guys that WWE chooses to represent FCW in this feud... will have already made it to the main roster. Being selected for this feud (and being featured on WWE TV because of it) is making it to the main roster. So we still know nothing about them when they make it.

Using guys who have already made it to the WWE roster like Gabriel and Riley (and even guys like Husky Harris) also defeats your stated goal of getting these guys some exposure before they first come up because those guys have already gotten WWE exposure.
I'd use Gabriel, Riley, etc on the WWE side of the war; the FCW guys' beef would be that they felt THEY deserved to be moved up to WWE over the guys like Riley and Gabriel. Their being overlooked by WWE would lead them to discredit WWE and claim FCW to be better bc THEY are there and THEY (the FCW guys) are better.

Of course being on WWE tv signifies that they are brought up to the main show; it was obvious during the Nexus angle but the angle still claimed that all but Barrett were not under contract. Is that not that kayfabe thing you're always talking about?
That could work.

The way I interpreted it was that, FCW doesn't kayfabe exist. All of the rookies were signed to short-term NXT contracts, with the winner getting a WWE contract and the title shot of his choice (or whatever the additional prize was). Once they weren't on NXT anymore, they didn't return to being under FCW contract, so there is no two-way street. They would be angry that WWE's talent scouts passed over them in favor of the other guys. Unless they are arguing that everyone in FCW is better than the guys WWE picked (Riley, Barrett, Gabriel, Slater, etc.), the feud isn't FCW vs. WWE... it is the guys who think they are being overlooked vs. the guys that WWE picked. The angle would probably work, but it wouldn't be a WWE vs. FCW thing as much as it would be between the guys involved.
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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by badnewzxl » Jan 4th, '12, 20:48

Big Red Machine wrote:
badnewzxl wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote:
1. Yes. I agree that it was a war, but I am disagree with your reasoning for why it felt like war (rather than regular feud between stables)

2. Here is the problem with your logic: The guys that WWE chooses to represent FCW in this feud... will have already made it to the main roster. Being selected for this feud (and being featured on WWE TV because of it) is making it to the main roster. So we still know nothing about them when they make it.

Using guys who have already made it to the WWE roster like Gabriel and Riley (and even guys like Husky Harris) also defeats your stated goal of getting these guys some exposure before they first come up because those guys have already gotten WWE exposure.
I'd use Gabriel, Riley, etc on the WWE side of the war; the FCW guys' beef would be that they felt THEY deserved to be moved up to WWE over the guys like Riley and Gabriel. Their being overlooked by WWE would lead them to discredit WWE and claim FCW to be better bc THEY are there and THEY (the FCW guys) are better.

Of course being on WWE tv signifies that they are brought up to the main show; it was obvious during the Nexus angle but the angle still claimed that all but Barrett were not under contract. Is that not that kayfabe thing you're always talking about?
That could work.

The way I interpreted it was that, FCW doesn't kayfabe exist. All of the rookies were signed to short-term NXT contracts, with the winner getting a WWE contract and the title shot of his choice (or whatever the additional prize was). Once they weren't on NXT anymore, they didn't return to being under FCW contract, so there is no two-way street. They would be angry that WWE's talent scouts passed over them in favor of the other guys. Unless they are arguing that everyone in FCW is better than the guys WWE picked (Riley, Barrett, Gabriel, Slater, etc.), the feud isn't FCW vs. WWE... it is the guys who think they are being overlooked vs. the guys that WWE picked. The angle would probably work, but it wouldn't be a WWE vs. FCW thing as much as it would be between the guys involved.
See, when I watched the first season of NXT, I could have sworn they showed footage from FCW and even sometimes mentioned FCW on the show. I may just be making the connection bc I already knew about FCW and WWE's relationship. If I didn't, I'd have just seen Nexus as an invading faction. The reason I'd involve the guys from NXT in the storyline would be bc they're the link: Nexus was upset about being overlooked by WWE; my FCW guys would be pissed simply for not being given the opportunity or just arrogant and impatient (Rollins, Cesaro, Ambrose, Sandow; even guys like Watkins, Cottonwood, and Harris who would just think there was some sort of conspiracy). It'd prolly be more like the New Blood v. Millionaire's Club, but we wouldn't use almost any of the main event guys; I'd use Punk (after he loses the title) Ryder, Rhodes, Bryan, Gabriel, etc as the targets of the group and have Barrett be the turncoat/mastermind behind it all (It'd be his revenge on WWE for what happened to his Nexus; a way to restake his claim permanently. It'd be a good way for him to get back to the uppercard after he is inevitable demolished by Orton later this year). Then, we can have the Punk v. Barret feud that never happened but def should at some point (plus, the two of them are AT LEAST upper midcarders, if not main eventers any night of the week). And the best way to make sure the angle DOESN'T die like those are most inclined to, I'd have faces and heels on both sides; that way, they'll actually come off as two promotions and not just good guys vs. bad guys (bc my point would be to get the WWE Universe more interested in FCW, so then they are even more likely to order the WWE Channel. THAT'S why I believe it'll benefit WWE)
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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by yourcrapsweak » Jan 6th, '12, 06:47

Another thing I wanted to point out about FCW... I went to a show last night, and there are very few who are even ready for WWE TV. Tyler Black, Claudio, Moxley, MAYBE Husky, and like one or two other guys MAYBE. That's it. The rest of them are green as shit.
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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by Big Red Machine » Jan 6th, '12, 11:11

yourcrapsweak wrote:Another thing I wanted to point out about FCW... I went to a show last night, and there are very few who are even ready for WWE TV. Tyler Black, Claudio, Moxley, MAYBE Husky, and like one or two other guys MAYBE. That's it. The rest of them are green as s**t.
Husky is totally ready. He was ready last year.
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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by Serujuunin » Jan 6th, '12, 13:28

yourcrapsweak wrote:Another thing I wanted to point out about FCW... I went to a show last night, and there are very few who are even ready for WWE TV. Tyler Black, Claudio, Moxley, MAYBE Husky, and like one or two other guys MAYBE. That's it. The rest of them are green as s**t.
This. Every time I watch FCW I wind up thinking the same thing.

I do, however, like Brad Maddox.

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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by yourcrapsweak » Jan 6th, '12, 16:07

Big Red Machine wrote:
yourcrapsweak wrote:Another thing I wanted to point out about FCW... I went to a show last night, and there are very few who are even ready for WWE TV. Tyler Black, Claudio, Moxley, MAYBE Husky, and like one or two other guys MAYBE. That's it. The rest of them are green as s**t.
Husky is totally ready. He was ready last year.
After seeing him live tonight, I'm not so sure. He's good and maybe he could do it, but he wouldn't be as good as Claudio or Mox.
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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by badnewzxl » Jan 6th, '12, 18:07

yourcrapsweak wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote:
yourcrapsweak wrote:Another thing I wanted to point out about FCW... I went to a show last night, and there are very few who are even ready for WWE TV. Tyler Black, Claudio, Moxley, MAYBE Husky, and like one or two other guys MAYBE. That's it. The rest of them are green as s**t.
Husky is totally ready. He was ready last year.
After seeing him live tonight, I'm not so sure. He's good and maybe he could do it, but he wouldn't be as good as Claudio or Mox.
based off one night? as opposed to the several weeks we all saw him on Raw?
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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by yourcrapsweak » Jan 6th, '12, 23:14

badnewzxl wrote:based off one night? as opposed to the several weeks we all saw him on Raw?
Well I don't think he's as good as he can be. Let's put it that way.
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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by Serujuunin » Jan 7th, '12, 00:53

yourcrapsweak wrote:
badnewzxl wrote:based off one night? as opposed to the several weeks we all saw him on Raw?
Well I don't think he's as good as he can be. Let's put it that way.
That may not be entirely him though. Sometimes it's hard to look good if you're working with someone who is just terrible.

Put him in the ring with one of the better talents in FCW and see what happens. (I honestly haven't been paying attention to his feud with Steamboat so I can't say anything myself.)

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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by badnewzxl » Jan 7th, '12, 07:11

Serujuunin wrote:
yourcrapsweak wrote:
badnewzxl wrote:based off one night? as opposed to the several weeks we all saw him on Raw?
Well I don't think he's as good as he can be. Let's put it that way.
That may not be entirely him though. Sometimes it's hard to look good if you're working with someone who is just terrible.

Put him in the ring with one of the better talents in FCW and see what happens. (I honestly haven't been paying attention to his feud with Steamboat so I can't say anything myself.)
I saw a fatal four way between him, Sandow, Mox (I think), and Leo Kruger for th vacant FCW title and Husky looked to be the most over, crisp guy in the match
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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by yourcrapsweak » Jan 7th, '12, 09:40

He wrestled Leo Kruger for the FCW Florida Championship, and both of them were over.
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