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What if FCW.....

Post by cero2k » Dec 31st, '11, 14:00

I think that something we can all agree on is that the wrestler re-branding that WWE does sucks. I actually tend to blame this a little bit of why there aren't anymore "huge" names in WWE, simply because names are rarely known by the time they get to WWE. Let's face it, FCW doesn't really build up anyone. Soo, i started thinking.

What if WWE re-branded FCW as an independent promotion ?? or as it's small indy competition??

It's not that hard, they already have the roster, the bookers, the staff. They would pretty much need to move around an area, make some DVDs for shows, do some iPPVs, stop having those huge Cena posters all over the FCW arena.

This way, when someone debuts on WWE, they can go back to selling like these guys are already kinda big. When was the last time that you got a reaction from the announcers like when the Radicalz debuted on WWE?? But now we could get Matthews saying "hey, that's Seth Rollings!! what the hell is he doing here in WWE??"

Would this work?? what are your thoughts??
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Post by badnewzxl » Dec 31st, '11, 15:12

The biggest problem is that EVERYBODY knows FCW is WWE's minor league. What they should do, is actually start mentioning FCW on tv and MAKE it seem notable. Put the other company over so that ppl don't JUST think a guy has "graduated" into the WWE from FCW. Have some guys (esp the ones they aren't doing anything with: McIntyre, Gabriel, Ryan, etc) go back to FCW and remain prevalent names somewhere.
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Post by kiel297 » Dec 31st, '11, 16:52

This. FCW needs to sold as a kayfabe competition to WWE. Then they could do something like TNA and AAA are doing right now, except due to their partnership, you could have stuff like FCW talent "jumping ship" so to speak. Obviously it wouldn't just be an angle, but become an ongoing thing, so it becomes commonplace that although FCW and WWE don't always act against each other, they're rivals. Think if FCW gains that indie status, and gets a following like other indie promotions have. They could have the ultimate heel turns with top FCW talent jumping ship to WWE and leaving FCW behind. If a WWE talent isn't being used, have him kayfabe quit the WWE and go to work in FCW. Everything about it screams TV gold!

Obviously, we're all assuming that in this scenario, there is no Invasion angle, and there is no Company vs Company match.
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Post by Big Red Machine » Dec 31st, '11, 17:06

badnewzxl wrote:The biggest problem is that EVERYBODY knows FCW is WWE's minor league. What they should do, is actually start mentioning FCW on tv and MAKE it seem notable. Put the other company over so that ppl don't JUST think a guy has "graduated" into the WWE from FCW. Have some guys (esp the ones they aren't doing anything with: McIntyre, Gabriel, Ryan, etc) go back to FCW and remain prevalent names somewhere.
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Post by Serujuunin » Jan 1st, '12, 02:52

I can kind of see where this is going and I can see how both companies might benefit... But FCW doesn't have that much exposure as it stands right now. I think the big thing would be having it on TV, and not just in Florida or even in the States, but maybe on all kinds of North American channels. That might be better at establishing FCW as legitimate competition.

The iPPVs are a good idea too. I kinda like the idea (except that if I'm going to pay for it, I'd rather watch it on the big screen TV than my dinky little laptop monitor :P). I don't think enough people are aware that FCW is a training ground of sorts for the WWE because a lot of their fanbase are kids and the parents of said kids. They don't look far enough behind the scenes 'cause all it is, is entertainment for the kids. Of course, that isn't to say that there aren't other people out there that care enough to find out what goes on behind the scenes, but as far as my knowledge extends, they seem to be a relative minority.

A larger arena may help too, 'cause the one they use now is ridiculously small. The banners I kind of like so long as they're the ones of former FCW Champs like Justin Gabriel or Alex Riley or Bo Rotundo.

They may have to do something with their roster too. From what I've noticed, it seems to me that there are a lot of people on it that have no real purpose (which isn't to say that they couldn't have a purpose). There are people every week that I see when I watch it and go "how long have they been here? o_O"

And they should stop mentioning their aspirations to get to the WWE, or call the FCW fans the "FCW Universe".

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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by yourcrapsweak » Jan 1st, '12, 21:18

kiel297 wrote:This. FCW needs to sold as a kayfabe competition to WWE. Then they could do something like TNA and AAA are doing right now, except due to their partnership, you could have stuff like FCW talent "jumping ship" so to speak. Obviously it wouldn't just be an angle, but become an ongoing thing, so it becomes commonplace that although FCW and WWE don't always act against each other, they're rivals. Think if FCW gains that indie status, and gets a following like other indie promotions have. They could have the ultimate heel turns with top FCW talent jumping ship to WWE and leaving FCW behind. If a WWE talent isn't being used, have him kayfabe quit the WWE and go to work in FCW. Everything about it screams TV gold!

Obviously, we're all assuming that in this scenario, there is no Invasion angle, and there is no Company vs Company match.
But everybody knows FCW is owned by WWE. FCW is for younger, less over guys. It'd be like if WWE went to war with IWA-EC. How many people are gonna know who the hell these people are and why should they care or be thought of as a threat?
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Post by cero2k » Jan 2nd, '12, 13:15

yourcrapsweak wrote: But everybody knows FCW is owned by WWE. FCW is for younger, less over guys. It'd be like if WWE went to war with IWA-EC. How many people are gonna know who the hell these people are and why should they care or be thought of as a threat?
that's why you re-brand FCW onto something new. WWE makes the announcement that they're closing FCW. 2 months later a lot of the talent in FCW make it to a new indy promotion starting around florida with shows around the whole east coast. Some other talent debut on WWE.

WWE doesn't need to go to war with this new indy promotion, but if someone debuts, you can say that such and such was from the indies, then they "pipebomb" the promotion's name, they can say that such wrestler was a former champ in the indies, that they've been wrestling for many years. the announcers can acknowledge the existence of this promotion.
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Post by Big Red Machine » Jan 2nd, '12, 16:40

cero2k wrote:
yourcrapsweak wrote: But everybody knows FCW is owned by WWE. FCW is for younger, less over guys. It'd be like if WWE went to war with IWA-EC. How many people are gonna know who the hell these people are and why should they care or be thought of as a threat?
that's why you re-brand FCW onto something new. WWE makes the announcement that they're closing FCW. 2 months later a lot of the talent in FCW make it to a new indy promotion starting around florida with shows around the whole east coast. Some other talent debut on WWE.

WWE doesn't need to go to war with this new indy promotion, but if someone debuts, you can say that such and such was from the indies, then they "pipebomb" the promotion's name, they can say that such wrestler was a former champ in the indies, that they've been wrestling for many years. the announcers can acknowledge the existence of this promotion.
It won't work. The reason that companies have avoided mentioning indies (especially by name) is because once you here the name, you might go Google it and discover the other promotion (that is the same reason that a lot of smaller indies/current big indies when they were small will mention other smaller indies a lot: they make a "you plug me, I plug you" deal). Once they mention the new FCW indy, people will Google it and learn that WWE owns it. And WWE is a public company, so there really is no way to hide it.

As for making people a big deal... FCW themselves managed to do it with Rollins and Ambrose by just saying that they have a rivalry that dates back before they came here. WWE did it with Sin Cara and Hunico. Hell... even putting Dragon over as having wrestled all over the world for ten years before coming to WWE made him seem like a much bigger deal than any of the other rookies.
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It's silly and unnecessary.
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Post by Serujuunin » Jan 2nd, '12, 20:11

I think the basic concept here is this:

The WWE doesn't have enough competition (TNA can hardly count, and other companies, while providing higher quality wrestling, simply do not have the mainstream exposure enough to truly compete), and competition creates a higher quality product. The WWE is complacent, and their product suffers for it. It would be wise for the WWE to at least feign competition, 'cause it will boost the quality of their product. Of course, legitimate competition is always desirable, but in this case I don't think it's going to happen, at least for a long time.

That being said, I don't think the WWE guys can pull their heads out of their corporate behinds and see this. All they see is an effective monopoly over the industry of televised professional wrestling, and this blinds them to their potential.

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Post by yourcrapsweak » Jan 2nd, '12, 20:13

Serujuunin wrote:The WWE is complacent, and their product suffers for it.
But this isn't true. At least I don't think so. WWE has been great recently, and it is certain they are always looking for new opportunities and ways to improve (WWE Network is a prime example).
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Re: What if FCW.....

Post by Serujuunin » Jan 2nd, '12, 20:14

yourcrapsweak wrote:
Serujuunin wrote:The WWE is complacent, and their product suffers for it.
But this isn't true. At least I don't think so. WWE has been great recently, and it is certain they are always looking for new opportunities and ways to improve (WWE Network is a prime example).
Recently they have been working to bolster their product, this is true, but I speak as a generalization of their practice. It's a prevailing trend, not the rule.

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Post by yourcrapsweak » Jan 2nd, '12, 20:22

Serujuunin wrote:
yourcrapsweak wrote:
Serujuunin wrote:The WWE is complacent, and their product suffers for it.
But this isn't true. At least I don't think so. WWE has been great recently, and it is certain they are always looking for new opportunities and ways to improve (WWE Network is a prime example).
Recently they have been working to bolster their product, this is true, but I speak as a generalization of their practice. It's a prevailing trend, not the rule.
Sometimes it's not so great, but I wouldn't say that is because of a lack of competition. It's just because the writers suck.
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Post by Serujuunin » Jan 2nd, '12, 20:24

yourcrapsweak wrote:
Serujuunin wrote:
yourcrapsweak wrote: But this isn't true. At least I don't think so. WWE has been great recently, and it is certain they are always looking for new opportunities and ways to improve (WWE Network is a prime example).
Recently they have been working to bolster their product, this is true, but I speak as a generalization of their practice. It's a prevailing trend, not the rule.
Sometimes it's not so great, but I wouldn't say that is because of a lack of competition. It's just because the writers suck.
But if they had something to compete with, they would realize how badly their writers suck, comparing them to the writers of their competitors, and realize they need to be replaced. If not by watching the other product and paying attention, but by the attention their competition is receiving compared to their own.

Perhaps I'm trying to give corporate WWE too much credit by thinking that they would do what was needed to adjust to competition, but hey, I'm an optimist. XD

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yourcrapsweak wrote:
Serujuunin wrote:The WWE is complacent, and their product suffers for it.
But this isn't true. At least I don't think so. WWE has been great recently, and it is certain they are always looking for new opportunities and ways to improve (WWE Network is a prime example).
in all honesty, WWE product doesn't suffer. but there's no doubt about it that they haven't created someone awesome in a long time, there's a reason that they need jericho, rock, taker, trips, all those guys to come back constantly.
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cero2k wrote:
yourcrapsweak wrote:
Serujuunin wrote:The WWE is complacent, and their product suffers for it.
But this isn't true. At least I don't think so. WWE has been great recently, and it is certain they are always looking for new opportunities and ways to improve (WWE Network is a prime example).
in all honesty, WWE product doesn't suffer. but there's no doubt about it that they haven't created someone awesome in a long time, there's a reason that they need jericho, rock, taker, trips, all those guys to come back constantly.
It's really hard to create a star from scratch, so why not just take old ones to give the rub? It's much more effective. And this has nothing at all to do with WWE having competition.
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yourcrapsweak wrote: It's really hard to create a star from scratch, so why not just take old ones to give the rub? It's much more effective. And this has nothing at all to do with WWE having competition.
no, it's not about competition, it's about taking "the best in the world" Brian Danielson and use that to make him big. that's what they're lacking. this is why i say that FCW should be separate from WWE at least in the eyes of the people. I'm not saying that the indy FCW should be WWE's competition, but they could use it to give more importance to a wrestler other than "he wrestled at this school","he's loved by the internet nerds".
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Post by yourcrapsweak » Jan 2nd, '12, 20:59

cero2k wrote:
yourcrapsweak wrote: It's really hard to create a star from scratch, so why not just take old ones to give the rub? It's much more effective. And this has nothing at all to do with WWE having competition.
no, it's not about competition, it's about taking "the best in the world" Brian Danielson and use that to make him big. that's what they're lacking. this is why i say that FCW should be separate from WWE at least in the eyes of the people. I'm not saying that the indy FCW should be WWE's competition, but they could use it to give more importance to a wrestler other than "he wrestled at this school","he's loved by the internet nerds".
You just want it to feel more like an indy, rather than a WWE territory? Well OVW did that, and look how it ended up. If it behaves like an indy, like they're not with WWE, guess what happens to the money? POOP. You think WWE is gonna do that, just so they can have one stupid storyline and a mock rivalry that won't fool anybody? Come on.
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Post by Serujuunin » Jan 2nd, '12, 21:11

yourcrapsweak wrote:
cero2k wrote:
yourcrapsweak wrote: But this isn't true. At least I don't think so. WWE has been great recently, and it is certain they are always looking for new opportunities and ways to improve (WWE Network is a prime example).
in all honesty, WWE product doesn't suffer. but there's no doubt about it that they haven't created someone awesome in a long time, there's a reason that they need jericho, rock, taker, trips, all those guys to come back constantly.
It's really hard to create a star from scratch, so why not just take old ones to give the rub? It's much more effective. And this has nothing at all to do with WWE having competition.
What I'm going with is the basic idea of capitalism, you know, the one you learn in Social Studies? It works in every other industry, and most governments prevent certain companies from holding a monopoly over any industry for the reason that competition creates better products.

I'm not at all saying this is the only issue the WWE has, because they are a rather unique company with other concerns that most other companies in other industries do not have. I'm just saying that it is a factor, and I personally believe a rather strong one. So while I agree with the IDEA of rebranding FCW, I don't think it would work functionally for the reasons someone else previously mentioned, I think it was BRM. It would be really hard, I think, to imagine, much less list, every factor plaguing the WWE at the moment, but we can speculate and identify some.

I will agree that it is hard to build stars from scratch, so why do they rename and regimmick guys they sign from other promotions? If they already have a fan base, why not keep their name and gimmick, and draw that fan base in to watch them in the WWE? That just makes it harder for the poor guys to get over. Guys that are already established and have had successful careers should pass the torch, so to speak, to the younger guys to help them get some steam and really get going, I think.

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Post by badnewzxl » Jan 3rd, '12, 00:47

yourcrapsweak wrote:
cero2k wrote:
yourcrapsweak wrote: It's really hard to create a star from scratch, so why not just take old ones to give the rub? It's much more effective. And this has nothing at all to do with WWE having competition.
no, it's not about competition, it's about taking "the best in the world" Brian Danielson and use that to make him big. that's what they're lacking. this is why i say that FCW should be separate from WWE at least in the eyes of the people. I'm not saying that the indy FCW should be WWE's competition, but they could use it to give more importance to a wrestler other than "he wrestled at this school","he's loved by the internet nerds".
You just want it to feel more like an indy, rather than a WWE territory? Well OVW did that, and look how it ended up. If it behaves like an indy, like they're not with WWE, guess what happens to the money? POOP. You think WWE is gonna do that, just so they can have one stupid storyline and a mock rivalry that won't fool anybody? Come on.
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