What if FCW.....

[Big Red Machine]

Too much to quote all at once, so I'll just respond generally:

I 100% agree with YCW. The quality of the product is dependent upon those writing it. I'm really not trying to bash TNA here, but they are an excellent example of this. They have all of the talent in the world, but if you give that talent moronic angles and don't give them enough time to have great matches, the product will suck.

The whole "competition makes for better wrestling" thing is utter BS. Was wrestling bad before 1984? Of course not. Look at indy companies having awesome years. Who was ROH competing against from 2005-2008, or in 2010 (and even the first half of this year)? Who was CHIKARA competing against over the last two years? Who was TNA competing against in 2005? Who was WWE competing against in 2002?

[badnewzxl]

Too much to quote all at once, so I'll just respond generally:

I 100% agree with YCW. The quality of the product is dependent upon those writing it. I'm really not trying to bash TNA here, but they are an excellent example of this. They have all of the talent in the world, but if you give that talent moronic angles and don't give them enough time to have great matches, the product will suck.

The whole "competition makes for better wrestling" thing is utter BS. Was wrestling bad before 1984? Of course not. Look at indy companies having awesome years. Who was ROH competing against from 2005-2008, or in 2010 (and even the first half of this year)? Who was CHIKARA competing against over the last two years? Who was TNA competing against in 2005? Who was WWE competing against in 2002?

before 84, EVERYONE was competing with EVERYONE; just bc they weren't putting one another out of business doesn't mean they weren't competing. ROH and CHIKARA are competing with every other indy promotion in the US; they're winning in most cases, but there is still competition. TNA doesn't have any competition now, and they're sucking so bad that they are spiralling downward. WWE will most likely NEVER have competition again; they eliminated their only true competition in 2001.

The concept of competition WORKS; look at how it worked for WWE v. the Invasion, CZW v. ROH, ECW v. FMW, etc. I think THAT's what everyone's getting at; not some idea that FCW's gonna be able to compete at the EXACT same level as WWE. It's the storytelling that's intriguing not the reality of it....

[Big Red Machine]

Too much to quote all at once, so I'll just respond generally:

I 100% agree with YCW. The quality of the product is dependent upon those writing it. I'm really not trying to bash TNA here, but they are an excellent example of this. They have all of the talent in the world, but if you give that talent moronic angles and don't give them enough time to have great matches, the product will suck.

The whole "competition makes for better wrestling" thing is utter BS. Was wrestling bad before 1984? Of course not. Look at indy companies having awesome years. Who was ROH competing against from 2005-2008, or in 2010 (and even the first half of this year)? Who was CHIKARA competing against over the last two years? Who was TNA competing against in 2005? Who was WWE competing against in 2002?

before 84, EVERYONE was competing with EVERYONE; just bc they weren't putting one another out of business doesn't mean they weren't competing. ROH and CHIKARA are competing with every other indy promotion in the US; they're winning in most cases, but there is still competition. TNA doesn't have any competition now, and they're sucking so bad that they are spiralling downward. WWE will most likely NEVER have competition again; they eliminated their only true competition in 2001.

The concept of competition WORKS; look at how it worked for WWE v. the Invasion, CZW v. ROH, ECW v. FMW, etc. I think THAT's what everyone's getting at; not some idea that FCW's gonna be able to compete at the EXACT same level as WWE. It's the storytelling that's intriguing not the reality of it....

The Invasion angle was pretty universally pooped on.

And no. Before 84, no one was competing with anyone. A fan in a certain area only had access to one product, therefore there was no decision of whom you wanted to give your money to. It wasn't "do I want to see WWF or do I want to see AWA?" It was "do I want to spend my money on wrestling."

[badnewzxl]

Too much to quote all at once, so I'll just respond generally:

I 100% agree with YCW. The quality of the product is dependent upon those writing it. I'm really not trying to bash TNA here, but they are an excellent example of this. They have all of the talent in the world, but if you give that talent moronic angles and don't give them enough time to have great matches, the product will suck.

The whole "competition makes for better wrestling" thing is utter BS. Was wrestling bad before 1984? Of course not. Look at indy companies having awesome years. Who was ROH competing against from 2005-2008, or in 2010 (and even the first half of this year)? Who was CHIKARA competing against over the last two years? Who was TNA competing against in 2005? Who was WWE competing against in 2002?

before 84, EVERYONE was competing with EVERYONE; just bc they weren't putting one another out of business doesn't mean they weren't competing. ROH and CHIKARA are competing with every other indy promotion in the US; they're winning in most cases, but there is still competition. TNA doesn't have any competition now, and they're sucking so bad that they are spiralling downward. WWE will most likely NEVER have competition again; they eliminated their only true competition in 2001.

The concept of competition WORKS; look at how it worked for WWE v. the Invasion, CZW v. ROH, ECW v. FMW, etc. I think THAT's what everyone's getting at; not some idea that FCW's gonna be able to compete at the EXACT same level as WWE. It's the storytelling that's intriguing not the reality of it....

The Invasion angle was pretty universally pooped on.

And no. Before 84, no one was competing with anyone. A fan in a certain area only had access to one product, therefore there was no decision of whom you wanted to give your money to. It wasn't "do I want to see WWF or do I want to see AWA?" It was "do I want to spend my money on wrestling."

that's not the competition I was talking about. I was talking about the angle, not actuality. In kayfabe, all the territories were in competition with one another just as SD! is in competition with RAW. That's what I was talking about. Everyone knew WCW and ECW were owned by WWE, but kayfabe ( ) they were still separate entities. If you wanna talk reality, then OF COURSE no one can compete with WWE; but creating a group that can be classified as "other" is just a GREAT story element to use every once in a while.

PS I don't care if the Invasion Angle was pooped on; I loved it....

[yourcrapsweak]

that's not the competition I was talking about. I was talking about the angle, not actuality. In kayfabe, all the territories were in competition with one another just as SD! is in competition with RAW. That's what I was talking about. Everyone knew WCW and ECW were owned by WWE, but kayfabe ( ) they were still separate entities. If you wanna talk reality, then OF COURSE no one can compete with WWE; but creating a group that can be classified as "other" is just a GREAT story element to use every once in a while.

PS I don't care if the Invasion Angle was pooped on; I loved it....

So let me go back to my last point... If you were running WWE and in Vince's shoes, you'd give up all of that money in FCW just for a mock storyline rivalry that, again, nobody is going to buy and won't last forever?

[badnewzxl]

that's not the competition I was talking about. I was talking about the angle, not actuality. In kayfabe, all the territories were in competition with one another just as SD! is in competition with RAW. That's what I was talking about. Everyone knew WCW and ECW were owned by WWE, but kayfabe ( ) they were still separate entities. If you wanna talk reality, then OF COURSE no one can compete with WWE; but creating a group that can be classified as "other" is just a GREAT story element to use every once in a while.

PS I don't care if the Invasion Angle was pooped on; I loved it....

So let me go back to my last point... If you were running WWE and in Vince's shoes, you'd give up all of that money in FCW just for a mock storyline rivalry that, again, nobody is going to buy and won't last forever?

no; I'd have a few of FCW's top guys invade WWE and go head to head with some established names in an effort to promote the FCW product. That's all. They don't have to feud with Cena or Punk or Orton; WWE doesn't have to sacrifice anyone or anything; they'd just need to get the fcw guys over. I'd pretty much copy the ROH v. CZW feud. That didn't do ANYTHING but help all parties involved....

[yourcrapsweak]

no; I'd have a few of FCW's top guys invade WWE and go head to head with some established names in an effort to promote the FCW product. That's all. They don't have to feud with Cena or Punk or Orton; WWE doesn't have to sacrifice anyone or anything; they'd just need to get the fcw guys over. I'd pretty much copy the ROH v. CZW feud. That didn't do ANYTHING but help all parties involved....

That would be counterproductive. The whole point of being in FCW is to be a future WWE star, so if an FCW made it to WWE, why would they be like "hey I'm FCW all the way! I don't wanna be in WWE I wanna represent FCW!" It makes NO sense.

[badnewzxl]

no; I'd have a few of FCW's top guys invade WWE and go head to head with some established names in an effort to promote the FCW product. That's all. They don't have to feud with Cena or Punk or Orton; WWE doesn't have to sacrifice anyone or anything; they'd just need to get the fcw guys over. I'd pretty much copy the ROH v. CZW feud. That didn't do ANYTHING but help all parties involved....

That would be counterproductive. The whole point of being in FCW is to be a future WWE star, so if an FCW made it to WWE, why would they be like "hey I'm FCW all the way! I don't wanna be in WWE I wanna represent FCW!" It makes NO sense.

and that's the exact reason this thread was created; what if fcw was an INDEPENDENT PROMOTION. In order to be Independent, you'd have to "sever ties." FCW would (at least kayfabe) break away from the WWE.

[yourcrapsweak]

no; I'd have a few of FCW's top guys invade WWE and go head to head with some established names in an effort to promote the FCW product. That's all. They don't have to feud with Cena or Punk or Orton; WWE doesn't have to sacrifice anyone or anything; they'd just need to get the fcw guys over. I'd pretty much copy the ROH v. CZW feud. That didn't do ANYTHING but help all parties involved....

That would be counterproductive. The whole point of being in FCW is to be a future WWE star, so if an FCW made it to WWE, why would they be like "hey I'm FCW all the way! I don't wanna be in WWE I wanna represent FCW!" It makes NO sense.

and that's the exact reason this thread was created; what if fcw was an INDEPENDENT PROMOTION. In order to be Independent, you'd have to "sever ties." FCW would (at least kayfabe) break away from the WWE.

Is it really worth it? If they went independent, they would kayfabe lose their ties with WWE and cost them SO much money. Plus, NOBODY would buy it. Marks who go to FCW shows may swear they're not with WWE anymore, but that means WWE stars have to stop coming to shows, and FCW stars can't go to WWE anymore unless it's your one-off WWE vs. FCW angle. And when they do go to WWE, it'll be like "yeah okay they're still obviously working together." It's not worth it at all!

[badnewzxl]

^it's an angle; if FCW is invading WWE, then WWE guys would then show up in FCW as well. Of course folks would KNOW they're working together (just like the other examples I presented earlier), but the ANGLE would still interest ppl, as always. Ppl ALWAYS get into it when there is some sort of invasion (nWo, invasion, Nexus, etc); though many are ruined as they go along, ppl STILL maintain interest until then, so the idea itself isn't bad at all.

ROH and CZW SWORE they hated one another, but their performers still showed up and wrestled for both promotions.

You wanna have a GREAT FCW liberation angle? Let Barrett create Nexus Perfection (or what the hell ever) and let him lead the FCW guys. It'd be easy: the FCW guys are tired of waiting around for WWE to clear a spot for them and claim they are better than the WWE talent. During the feud, a bunch of FCW guys get the chance to get over with the WWE Universe.

Furthermore, this isn't the "Should" topic; it's the "What if" topic; you need to MAKE it work, not shoot it down....

[Big Red Machine]

I'd pretty much copy the ROH v. CZW feud. That didn't do ANYTHING but help all parties involved....

The ROH-CZW feud was something different. It only worked as perfectly as it did because of the differences of fanbases between the two companies, the difference in their wrestling styles, the perceptions that fans of each company had both about the other and its fans, and the issue of shared territory. Go back and watch the Chris Here promoes from the few CZW shows before Hell Freezes Over. WWE wouldn't be able to create that kind of atmosphere because the background factors are not there and never will be.

[Big Red Machine]

You wanna have a GREAT FCW liberation angle? Let Barrett create Nexus Perfection (or what the hell ever) and let him lead the FCW guys. It'd be easy: the FCW guys are tired of waiting around for WWE to clear a spot for them and claim they are better than the WWE talent. During the feud, a bunch of FCW guys get the chance to get over with the WWE Universe.

This would require WWE acknowledging that it owns FCW. Also, this really wouldn't be a war between WWE and FCW as much as it would be a Generation Next type of angle.

[cero2k]

It's really hard to create a star from scratch, so why not just take old ones to give the rub? It's much more effective. And this has nothing at all to do with WWE having competition.

no, it's not about competition, it's about taking "the best in the world" Brian Danielson and use that to make him big. that's what they're lacking. this is why i say that FCW should be separate from WWE at least in the eyes of the people. I'm not saying that the indy FCW should be WWE's competition, but they could use it to give more importance to a wrestler other than "he wrestled at this school","he's loved by the internet nerds".

You just want it to feel more like an indy, rather than a WWE territory? Well OVW did that, and look how it ended up. If it behaves like an indy, like they're not with WWE, guess what happens to the money? POOP. You think WWE is gonna do that, just so they can have one stupid storyline and a mock rivalry that won't fool anybody? Come on.

dude, read the yellow, it's not about being rivals or about an angle, it's about WWE not being scared to say that their new guy was a former champion somewhere else. people do considered Dragon a nerd because that's how he got sold to the fans and people don't know he was kicking heads in and that he's a former world champ. No, people think this is his only title. The day that moxley and black debut, it's gonna be big for the ICW, but not the casual fan, they don't have any idea who they are, they're just gonna be two new guys. Looked at what happened with guys like Low Ki, Monty Brown. look at christian, WWE doesn't recognize that he's a former NWA world champ, NWA!!

but now turn the coin, look at TNA, they do acknowledge that wrestlers have worked somewhere else. they acknowledge that Kurt Angle is a former world champ somewhere else. and most importantly, they can acknowledge that wrestlers have jumped to TNA, that they rather work there than work at that other place. That makes people turn around to see, i'm sure a lot of us started watching TNA because of Christian jumping, or Angle jumping. but who gave a damn that Marcus Cor Von was debuting on ECW? yeah, pretty much no one.

so with this WWE (secretly) own indy, at least for the WWE universe, they can make a big thing about Leo Krueger debuting, they can say his name freely. they don't need to introduce him with NXT or TE. Lawler can say "this guy is a former world champion" and when people google "leo krueger champion" they're gonna see FCW (which also brings money to WWE)

[Big Red Machine]

dude, read the yellow, it's not about being rivals or about an angle, it's about WWE not being scared to say that their new guy was a former champion somewhere else. people do considered Dragon a nerd because that's how he got sold to the fans and people don't know he was kicking heads in and that he's a former world champ. No, people think this is his only title. The day that moxley and black debut, it's gonna be big for the ICW, but not the casual fan, they don't have any idea who they are, they're just gonna be two new guys. Looked at what happened with guys like Low Ki, Monty Brown. look at christian, WWE doesn't recognize that he's a former NWA world champ, NWA!!

but now turn the coin, look at TNA, they do acknowledge that wrestlers have worked somewhere else. they acknowledge that Kurt Angle is a former world champ somewhere else. and most importantly, they can acknowledge that wrestlers have jumped to TNA, that they rather work there than work at that other place. That makes people turn around to see, i'm sure a lot of us started watching TNA because of Christian jumping, or Angle jumping. but who gave a damn that Marcus Cor Von was debuting on ECW? yeah, pretty much no one.

so with this WWE (secretly) own indy, at least for the WWE universe, they can make a big thing about Leo Krueger debuting, they can say his name freely. they don't need to introduce him with NXT or TE. Lawler can say "this guy is a former world champion" and when people google "leo krueger champion" they're gonna see FCW (which also brings money to WWE)

Dragon being sold as a nerd was a Michael Cole going overboard problem. Early on, WWE did acknowledge that Dragon had been wrestling all around the world for a long time and won many titles. Same with Low Ki.

They used to debut many people perfectly well before NXT. Look at Punk, MVP, or Kennedy. Look at Santino. Look at Del Rio. Look at Kong. The problem was that WWE gave guys stupid sounding names, hyped up their debuts for a bit, then didn't do a damn thing with them. WWE's recent inability to debut someone well and making them seem like a big deal is not because they don't acknowledge other promotions. It is because of internal creative stupidity.

[cero2k]

Dragon being sold as a nerd was a Michael Cole going overboard problem. Early on, WWE did acknowledge that Dragon had been wrestling all around the world for a long time and won many titles. Same with Low Ki.

They used to debut many people perfectly well before NXT. Look at Punk, MVP, or Kennedy. Look at Santino. Look at Del Rio. Look at Kong. The problem was that WWE gave guys stupid sounding names, hyped up their debuts for a bit, then didn't do a damn thing with them. WWE's recent inability to debut someone well and making them seem like a big deal is not because they don't acknowledge other promotions. It is because of internal creative stupidity.

but Dragon and low ki were still brought in as rookies, they constantly reminded you that no matter how many years, how many titles, if it didn't happened in WWE, you're still green and a rookie. no more. they never used the fact that Dragon was considered the best in the world.

i'm not saying there hasn't been good debuts, but nothing really worth wild. nothing like Jericho, or the Radicalz, or Rhino, or booker t, or goldberg. Punk's was meh, gladly he kept his name, but they still did the whole vignette thing and he came in to ECW while sandman was fighting zombies. MVP's was ok, similar to the Miz'. Kennedy was bad, it's wasn't til weeks later that the whole saying his name twice catched on. Santino was good. Del Rio was a complete repackage of his character, there i can understand debuting him like they did with the vignettes and all. Kong we can't say, we were cut off half way her debut.

the only worth wild debuts in many years for me have been Sin cara (who was actually acknowledged as being mistico), the Usos and Tamina, and ted dibiase jr

I agree that there is a lot to do once you debut, that for many wrestlers, they just completely ignore them, but i think that a huge problem is that many guys get debuted from zero, and don't build from something that they already have.

[Big Red Machine]

Dragon being sold as a nerd was a Michael Cole going overboard problem. Early on, WWE did acknowledge that Dragon had been wrestling all around the world for a long time and won many titles. Same with Low Ki.

They used to debut many people perfectly well before NXT. Look at Punk, MVP, or Kennedy. Look at Santino. Look at Del Rio. Look at Kong. The problem was that WWE gave guys stupid sounding names, hyped up their debuts for a bit, then didn't do a damn thing with them. WWE's recent inability to debut someone well and making them seem like a big deal is not because they don't acknowledge other promotions. It is because of internal creative stupidity.

but Dragon and low ki were still brought in as rookies, they constantly reminded you that no matter how many years, how many titles, if it didn't happened in WWE, you're still green and a rookie. no more. they never used the fact that Dragon was considered the best in the world.

i'm not saying there hasn't been good debuts, but nothing really worth wild. nothing like Jericho, or the Radicalz, or Rhino, or booker t, or goldberg. Punk's was meh, gladly he kept his name, but they still did the whole vignette thing and he came in to ECW while sandman was fighting zombies. MVP's was ok, similar to the Miz'. Kennedy was bad, it's wasn't til weeks later that the whole saying his name twice catched on. Santino was good. Del Rio was a complete repackage of his character, there i can understand debuting him like they did with the vignettes and all. Kong we can't say, we were cut off half way her debut.

the only worth wild debuts in many years for me have been Sin cara (who was actually acknowledged as being mistico), the Usos and Tamina, and ted dibiase jr

I agree that there is a lot to do once you debut, that for many wrestlers, they just completely ignore them, but i think that a huge problem is that many guys get debuted from zero, and don't build from something that they already have.

With Dragon, his whole original angle was that he had wrestled all over the world and had more experience than his "pro," The Miz. Dragon's whole thing was that considering him a rookie was ridiculous. And they were clearly going in the "best in the world" direction, but it got scrapped for the Nexus angle. Watch his promo the night he was eliminated from NXT.

MVP's debut made him look like a huge deal. They said he was a huge free agent who was signed to a super-lucrative contract.

As Dragon, Morrison, Carlito, Barrett, Ziggler, Swagger, Punk, Kofi, Miz, Cody, and many, many others have proven, if the guy has the talent and WWE gives him the time, he will get over. It's that "simple." 99% of the guys who don't get over are the guys who aren't given any time (especially on the air, but also actual time devoted to them to develop a character that isn't "I am Wrestler X's kid)

[badnewzxl]

You wanna have a GREAT FCW liberation angle? Let Barrett create Nexus Perfection (or what the hell ever) and let him lead the FCW guys. It'd be easy: the FCW guys are tired of waiting around for WWE to clear a spot for them and claim they are better than the WWE talent. During the feud, a bunch of FCW guys get the chance to get over with the WWE Universe.

This would require WWE acknowledging that it owns FCW. Also, this really wouldn't be a war between WWE and FCW as much as it would be a Generation Next type of angle.

but to THE FANS it WOULD be a war; the whole Nexus angle came off as a war between the established talent and the NXT guys. The New Blood v. Millionaires club angle in WCW was the very same way. Whenever you have two factions battling one another, it comes off as a war. Everyone knew WCW and ECW were owned by WWE, but the angle still got over. Ppl can 'poop' on it all they want; the fans still remained interested and tuned in every week.

I'd pretty much copy the ROH v. CZW feud. That didn't do ANYTHING but help all parties involved....

The ROH-CZW feud was something different. It only worked as perfectly as it did because of the differences of fanbases between the two companies, the difference in their wrestling styles, the perceptions that fans of each company had both about the other and its fans, and the issue of shared territory. Go back and watch the Chris Here promoes from the few CZW shows before Hell Freezes Over. WWE wouldn't be able to create that kind of atmosphere because the background factors are not there and never will be.

yeah, it was different; thanx for pointing that out....but I can't copy the styles of wrestling or the fan bases; I'm saying the whole showing up and talking shit, antagonizing the talent, etc. I'm just talking about the IDEA; not the actual atmosphere and stuff; you can't just CREATE that on paper (surely not with FCW and WWE), but that doesn't mean such an angle won't work. Nexus worked well....until they sacrificed everyone to Cena....

[Big Red Machine]

You wanna have a GREAT FCW liberation angle? Let Barrett create Nexus Perfection (or what the hell ever) and let him lead the FCW guys. It'd be easy: the FCW guys are tired of waiting around for WWE to clear a spot for them and claim they are better than the WWE talent. During the feud, a bunch of FCW guys get the chance to get over with the WWE Universe.

This would require WWE acknowledging that it owns FCW. Also, this really wouldn't be a war between WWE and FCW as much as it would be a Generation Next type of angle.

but to THE FANS it WOULD be a war; the whole Nexus angle came off as a war between the established talent and the NXT guys. The New Blood v. Millionaires club angle in WCW was the very same way. Whenever you have two factions battling one another, it comes off as a war. Everyone knew WCW and ECW were owned by WWE, but the angle still got over. Ppl can 'poop' on it all they want; the fans still remained interested and tuned in every week.

I'd pretty much copy the ROH v. CZW feud. That didn't do ANYTHING but help all parties involved....

The ROH-CZW feud was something different. It only worked as perfectly as it did because of the differences of fanbases between the two companies, the difference in their wrestling styles, the perceptions that fans of each company had both about the other and its fans, and the issue of shared territory. Go back and watch the Chris Here promoes from the few CZW shows before Hell Freezes Over. WWE wouldn't be able to create that kind of atmosphere because the background factors are not there and never will be.

yeah, it was different; thanx for pointing that out....but I can't copy the styles of wrestling or the fan bases; I'm saying the whole showing up and talking s**t, antagonizing the talent, etc. I'm just talking about the IDEA; not the actual atmosphere and stuff; you can't just CREATE that on paper (surely not with FCW and WWE), but that doesn't mean such an angle won't work. Nexus worked well....until they sacrificed everyone to Cena....

1. The Nexus angle didn't come off as a war because it was two factions battling each other. The Nexus angle had the right feel to it because, to the Nexus guys, everyone was fair game. They didn't only attack Cena, and they didn't only attack people they were feuding with. Anyone and everyone they saw walking around backstage or in the ring was fair game.

2. Antagonizing the talent (and the fans) the way that they did in the ROH-CZW feud worked so amazingly well because of those background factors that can't be replicated here. They could do it, but it wouldn't work nearly as well.

[badnewzxl]

1. two factions battling one another can def qualify as a war IF YOU PUSH IT AS SO. Everyone was fair game to the nWo too, but it was still a war.

2. Yea; it may not be as good as the CZW v. ROH feud (esp not to the ppl who experienced it). But most of WWE's fanbase HAS NOT; so the comparison won't be there for non ROH/CZW fans. You say yourself all the time that you can't book for smarks; so how would the ROH/CZW feud effect this proposed FCW/WWE feud? Most of the WWE universe is completely oblivious to ROH and CZW in general.

And remember: This is a What if; a hypothetical situation. It's "If FCW____, then ____" not "Why____? Because___" We're trying to use our imaginations here, not sell WWE a storyline

[yourcrapsweak]

There are so many things being discussed at once, I don't know who is saying what anymore. But I will tell you almost everything I've heard in this topic is utterly ridiculous in my opinion. FCW feuding with WWE, a new new Nexus, FCW breaking off as a fake independent just for a feud with WWE... It's all just stupid if you think about it.

Look, FCW is a developmental territory for WWE. It's where guys get primed for WWE. Once they make it to WWE, they should be done with FCW because they've finally graduated. It's like a 9th grader saying "Hey I'm in high school finally and I'm going to represent my middle school," which is fine, but to FIGHT for them is stupid because you're DONE with it. There's absolutely no benefit for fighting for it. Even if you kayfabe book them as FCW guys invading WWE, they still in kayfabe have made it to the show and therefore have achieved what they're fighting for immediately. It makes zero sense.