Wrestling just doesn't...

[SONICdopeFRESH]

Wrestling just doesn't interest me much these days... I like watching RAW & SD! still, but swomething about the whole concept of professional wrestling has gone stale to me...

Don't know if it's the crap wrestlers that headline the shows like The Miz & Daniel Bryan who are hard to get into... Especially when you're used to seeing big time guys that put on.

Don't know if it's because I feel as if I have more charisma than most of the people we are forced to listen to on the mic... I can talk for hours & either draw heat or make people smile grinch-like.

Don't know if it's the fact that tag team wrestling, which ultimately was my favorite type of match (seeing how much of an LOD fan I am), seems to be nonexistant which is disturbing.

Don't know if it's the fact that the IWC changes their minds with the weather. They want Punk to main event one day, then 5 months later, they're sick & tired of him. They are their own kryptonite. They say #iWantWrestling , then they get it, & still whine or pick & choose like it's a pack of M&M's.

Don't know if it's the fact that half the wrestlers today just don't really give off the image of really being able to whoop someone's a** in real life, and I feel like I could seriously be the WWE champion with a good right hand to a jaw.

Don't know if it's the fact that Michael Cole is supposed to be a heel commentator, but won't bury/demolish the two top faces of the company CENA & ORTON...

Don't know if it's because all the women wrestling I see now SUCKS... They don't utilize the women that actually CAN get it...

Don't know what it is, but something just doesn't interest me in wrestling as much... Hence my frequent abscence from any wrestling related discussion... I'd rather play WWE 12 with a CAW that has a default face & jacob Cass' theme song... It just has gotten boring.

[Big Red Machine]

I can understand where you are coming from on a lot of this, and my advice to you is simple. Go watch some old stuff. I was very disappointed with the state of pretty much every wrestling company from about mid-december until the Royal Rumble, so I started watching some WWF shows from 2000 and 2001 and some of the early TNA monthly PPVs. Good stuff.

[Rabid619]

I can understand where you are coming from on a lot of this, and my advice to you is simple. Go watch some old stuff. I was very disappointed with the state of pretty much every wrestling company from about mid-december until the Royal Rumble, so I started watching some WWF shows from 2000 and 2001 and some of the early TNA monthly PPVs. Good stuff.

This is definitely good advice. Anytime i've been disappointed with the current stuff i just watch older things that were good.

[kiel297]

The moment you referred to Daniel Bryan and The Miz as crap, I decided to stop reading and write this comment to ask the following:

Wut?

[badnewzxl]

Wrestling just doesn't interest me much these days... I like watching RAW & SD! still, but swomething about the whole concept of professional wrestling has gone stale to me...

Don't know if it's the crap wrestlers that headline the shows like The Miz & Daniel Bryan who are hard to get into... Especially when you're used to seeing big time guys that put on.

Don't know if it's because I feel as if I have more charisma than most of the people we are forced to listen to on the mic... I can talk for hours & either draw heat or make people smile grinch-like.

Don't know if it's the fact that tag team wrestling, which ultimately was my favorite type of match (seeing how much of an LOD fan I am), seems to be nonexistant which is disturbing.

Don't know if it's the fact that the IWC changes their minds with the weather. They want Punk to main event one day, then 5 months later, they're sick & tired of him. They are their own kryptonite. They say #iWantWrestling , then they get it, & still whine or pick & choose like it's a pack of M&M's.

Don't know if it's the fact that half the wrestlers today just don't really give off the image of really being able to whoop someone's a** in real life, and I feel like I could seriously be the WWE champion with a good right hand to a jaw.

Don't know if it's the fact that Michael Cole is supposed to be a heel commentator, but won't bury/demolish the two top faces of the company CENA & ORTON...

Don't know if it's because all the women wrestling I see now SUCKS... They don't utilize the women that actually CAN get it...

Don't know what it is, but something just doesn't interest me in wrestling as much... Hence my frequent abscence from any wrestling related discussion... I'd rather play WWE 12 with a CAW that has a default face & jacob Cass' theme song... It just has gotten boring.

that sucks, basedgod; I actually enjoy WWE for the most part right now. I think they're finally getting back to featuring GOOD colorful, distinct characters (Ryder, Clay, Santino, Sheamus) as well as their solid, franchise guys (Orton, Cena, Jericho, Show). They even picked up the Indy sensations (Bryan, Punk, Low Ki, Claudio, Hero, Black, Moxley) and they actually have some guys who could fill the spot of a Cena or Orton two years from now (Kofi, Cody, Ziggler, Barrett) and five years from now (Riley, Gabriel, McGuillicuty). They still bring in the big names, too (HHH, HBK, Taker, Rock, Piper, Foley) but they don't over do it and halt the guys they have wrestling full time (one of the bad decisions WCW made).

The problem with WWE is that it's taken them too long to develop new, interesting stars. There were so many failed wrestlers and gimmicks for so many years that the only ppl in the WWE around 2010 were almost stale bc their only competition was one another. Ppl have gotten tired of Cena, Orton, Show, and Rey (also Batista, and even HHH for a while there) bc they've been in almost the same spot for five or six years doing the same ol' shit without any legitimate new challengers bc guys like Chris Masters, Test, and Carlito just couldn't perform at the main event level. They still try to get Khali over and nobody buys it; ppl nowadays find Cody Rhodes more legitimate even than the giant Khali.

As far as TNA goes, they're doing good with their tag titles and world title right now, imo at least. Austin Aries has been an excellent X Division champion and Gail Kim IS still awesome as KO's champ. They still occasionally do something absolutely ridiculous, but it wouldn't be TNA if they didn't. If they continue to increase their match quality back to the point it was in 06 or 07 it'll make up (enough) for crap like Garrett Bischof and Football Players who are ONLY relevant bc they just won the Super Bowl.

If you want tag team wrestling, you have to watch ROH; the Briscoes are the best tag team in the world, the Young Bucks are number three or four, ANX is VERY entertaining, the HoT is an impressive combo, the Bravados are coming back from NOAH soon, Haas & Benjamin, and Coleman & Alexander. The tv show comes off a little Southern (which I don't like) and too old fashioned (meaning ppl see it on the tv and think it's old. The HDNet show just made it obvious that ROH is MODERN pro wrestling. I can't count the number of times friends ask me "What year is this? 93?" whenever I watch with them.

As far as the IWC goes, the IWC is never actually on the same page; there's always another group on the opposite side of the argument. For every guy who likes Cena, there's a Guy hates Cena, and those who hate speak loudest. One more often speaks up against something they hate than they jerk off something they like; it's a consequence of free speech. Take Christian's run last year for instance; everyone wanted Christian to win the title; then suddenly everyone was saying he couldn't carry it. It's not that the ppl who wanted him to be champ flip flopped and turned against him; it's just that there were also ppl who didn't want Christian to win the title and they became vocal AFTER he won the title. The Dirt Sheets and wrestling media just created a term they could use to generalize their toughest critics/biggest fans. It's like when another politician claims the "American People" do not support the President; that term is just a way to make your team seem bigger than they are. When the President was Bush, the "American People's" opinion was more liberal bc it was the leftists speaking out against the Right Wing President. Now that it's the Democrat Obama, "the American People" are suddenly right leaning conservatives. They say "the American People" bc the statement is technically true, plus it just sounds like ALL the ppl in American (or at least some vast majority) believe the same. Which I doubt is EVER actually true. Guy's within the business of pro wrestling use the word IWC in the same fashion, but they give it a negative connotation. When we praise them, we're "the fans;" when we criticize them we're "the IWC."

[Big Red Machine]

Wrestling just doesn't interest me much these days... I like watching RAW & SD! still, but swomething about the whole concept of professional wrestling has gone stale to me...

Don't know if it's the crap wrestlers that headline the shows like The Miz & Daniel Bryan who are hard to get into... Especially when you're used to seeing big time guys that put on.

Don't know if it's because I feel as if I have more charisma than most of the people we are forced to listen to on the mic... I can talk for hours & either draw heat or make people smile grinch-like.

Don't know if it's the fact that tag team wrestling, which ultimately was my favorite type of match (seeing how much of an LOD fan I am), seems to be nonexistant which is disturbing.

Don't know if it's the fact that the IWC changes their minds with the weather. They want Punk to main event one day, then 5 months later, they're sick & tired of him. They are their own kryptonite. They say #iWantWrestling , then they get it, & still whine or pick & choose like it's a pack of M&M's.

Don't know if it's the fact that half the wrestlers today just don't really give off the image of really being able to whoop someone's a** in real life, and I feel like I could seriously be the WWE champion with a good right hand to a jaw.

Don't know if it's the fact that Michael Cole is supposed to be a heel commentator, but won't bury/demolish the two top faces of the company CENA & ORTON...

Don't know if it's because all the women wrestling I see now SUCKS... They don't utilize the women that actually CAN get it...

Don't know what it is, but something just doesn't interest me in wrestling as much... Hence my frequent abscence from any wrestling related discussion... I'd rather play WWE 12 with a CAW that has a default face & jacob Cass' theme song... It just has gotten boring.

that sucks, basedgod; I actually enjoy WWE for the most part right now. I think they're finally getting back to featuring GOOD colorful, distinct characters (Ryder, Clay, Santino, Sheamus) as well as their solid, franchise guys (Orton, Cena, Jericho, Show). They even picked up the Indy sensations (Bryan, Punk, Low Ki, Claudio, Hero, Black, Moxley) and they actually have some guys who could fill the spot of a Cena or Orton two years from now (Kofi, Cody, Ziggler, Barrett) and five years from now (Riley, Gabriel, McGuillicuty). They still bring in the big names, too (HHH, HBK, Taker, Rock, Piper, Foley) but they don't over do it and halt the guys they have wrestling full time (one of the bad decisions WCW made).

The problem with WWE is that it's taken them too long to develop new, interesting stars. There were so many failed wrestlers and gimmicks for so many years that the only ppl in the WWE around 2010 were almost stale bc their only competition was one another. Ppl have gotten tired of Cena, Orton, Show, and Rey (also Batista, and even HHH for a while there) bc they've been in almost the same spot for five or six years doing the same ol' s**t without any legitimate new challengers bc guys like Chris Masters, Test, and Carlito just couldn't perform at the main event level. They still try to get Khali over and nobody buys it; ppl nowadays find Cody Rhodes more legitimate even than the giant Khali.

As far as TNA goes, they're doing good with their tag titles and world title right now, imo at least. Austin Aries has been an excellent X Division champion and Gail Kim IS still awesome as KO's champ. They still occasionally do something absolutely ridiculous, but it wouldn't be TNA if they didn't. If they continue to increase their match quality back to the point it was in 06 or 07 it'll make up (enough) for crap like Garrett Bischof and Football Players who are ONLY relevant bc they just won the Super Bowl.

If you want tag team wrestling, you have to watch ROH; the Briscoes are the best tag team in the world, the Young Bucks are number three or four, ANX is VERY entertaining, the HoT is an impressive combo, the Bravados are coming back from NOAH soon, Haas & Benjamin, and Coleman & Alexander. The tv show comes off a little Southern (which I don't like) and too old fashioned (meaning ppl see it on the tv and think it's old. The HDNet show just made it obvious that ROH is MODERN pro wrestling. I can't count the number of times friends ask me "What year is this? 93?" whenever I watch with them.

As far as the IWC goes, the IWC is never actually on the same page; there's always another group on the opposite side of the argument. For every guy who likes Cena, there's a Guy hates Cena, and those who hate speak loudest. One more often speaks up against something they hate than they jerk off something they like; it's a consequence of free speech. Take Christian's run last year for instance; everyone wanted Christian to win the title; then suddenly everyone was saying he couldn't carry it. It's not that the ppl who wanted him to be champ flip flopped and turned against him; it's just that there were also ppl who didn't want Christian to win the title and they became vocal AFTER he won the title. The Dirt Sheets and wrestling media just created a term they could use to generalize their toughest critics/biggest fans. It's like when another politician claims the "American People" do not support the President; that term is just a way to make your team seem bigger than they are. When the President was Bush, the "American People's" opinion was more liberal bc it was the leftists speaking out against the Right Wing President. Now that it's the Democrat Obama, "the American People" are suddenly right leaning conservatives. They say "the American People" bc the statement is technically true, plus it just sounds like ALL the ppl in American (or at least some vast majority) believe the same. Which I doubt is EVER actually true. Guy's within the business of pro wrestling use the word IWC in the same fashion, but they give it a negative connotation. When we praise them, we're "the fans;" when we criticize them we're "the IWC."

Excellent post!

[SONICdopeFRESH]

I can understand where you are coming from on a lot of this, and my advice to you is simple. Go watch some old stuff. I was very disappointed with the state of pretty much every wrestling company from about mid-december until the Royal Rumble, so I started watching some WWF shows from 2000 and 2001 and some of the early TNA monthly PPVs. Good stuff.

That's really all I do & have been doing for awhile... Well, used to be in addition to enjoyment of seeing RAW, SD, iMPACT & ROH saturdays... Usually am watching NJPW from the 90's, WCW 90's & WWF late 80's... A bit of everything... And then for some great mic action, the WWF attitude era...

But what that does, is get me in a mood like "well goodness, the product today compared to this stuff is crap." It's hard watching Vader be WCW champion at noon on your day(s) off, and then turn to iMPACT & see Bobby Rood as champ, or SD & see Mark Henry lose the belt to D Bry & every other clusterf**k they have going on.

[SONICdopeFRESH]

The moment you referred to Daniel Bryan and The Miz as crap, I decided to stop reading and write this comment to ask the following:

Wut?

Yes, The Miz & Daniel Bryan, 2 of the most precious WWE backstage wrestlers apparently, are crap. Miz has been given more chances than a lot of the roster, and I am NOT impressed with anything. The best thing he has going for him is his theme song. Even when they intentionally try to get him over, he still doesn't make you feel that kayfabe hatred for him nor his character... When I see him on tv, I think of things like "I could sure go for a muffin right now."

Daniel Bryan hasn't impressed me either. Everybody tells me "Oh, he can do soooo much in ring," but yet he does botch quite a bit, and his mic work is far from great. I think the thing that irritates me the most about him, is he doesn't even look like he can cream corn... But yet they have him take the belt off of Mark Henry & Big Show, when Mark Henry was the BEST heel in the WWE at the time & was actually doing REALLLLLLLY good... Granted, I know that isn't his fault, rather creative's, but I just don't see why people are so high on the guy; he is literally just today's William Regal... Should be a midcarder. Tops. half the WWE roster can wrestle just as good, and half the WWE roster can be mor efficient than him on the mic. Can we send him back to ROH & get Davey Richards or Kyle O'Reily???

Oh & btw... Davey Richards made my fave 5 *Booker T Voice*

[SONICdopeFRESH]

that sucks, basedgod; I actually enjoy WWE for the most part right now. I think they're finally getting back to featuring GOOD colorful, distinct characters (Ryder, Clay, Santino, Sheamus) as well as their solid, franchise guys (Orton, Cena, Jericho, Show). They even picked up the Indy sensations (Bryan, Punk, Low Ki, Claudio, Hero, Black, Moxley) and they actually have some guys who could fill the spot of a Cena or Orton two years from now (Kofi, Cody, Ziggler, Barrett) and five years from now (Riley, Gabriel, McGuillicuty). They still bring in the big names, too (HHH, HBK, Taker, Rock, Piper, Foley) but they don't over do it and halt the guys they have wrestling full time (one of the bad decisions WCW made).

The problem with WWE is that it's taken them too long to develop new, interesting stars. There were so many failed wrestlers and gimmicks for so many years that the only ppl in the WWE around 2010 were almost stale bc their only competition was one another. Ppl have gotten tired of Cena, Orton, Show, and Rey (also Batista, and even HHH for a while there) bc they've been in almost the same spot for five or six years doing the same ol' s**t without any legitimate new challengers bc guys like Chris Masters, Test, and Carlito just couldn't perform at the main event level. They still try to get Khali over and nobody buys it; ppl nowadays find Cody Rhodes more legitimate even than the giant Khali.

As far as TNA goes, they're doing good with their tag titles and world title right now, imo at least. Austin Aries has been an excellent X Division champion and Gail Kim IS still awesome as KO's champ. They still occasionally do something absolutely ridiculous, but it wouldn't be TNA if they didn't. If they continue to increase their match quality back to the point it was in 06 or 07 it'll make up (enough) for crap like Garrett Bischof and Football Players who are ONLY relevant bc they just won the Super Bowl.

If you want tag team wrestling, you have to watch ROH; the Briscoes are the best tag team in the world, the Young Bucks are number three or four, ANX is VERY entertaining, the HoT is an impressive combo, the Bravados are coming back from NOAH soon, Haas & Benjamin, and Coleman & Alexander. The tv show comes off a little Southern (which I don't like) and too old fashioned (meaning ppl see it on the tv and think it's old. The HDNet show just made it obvious that ROH is MODERN pro wrestling. I can't count the number of times friends ask me "What year is this? 93?" whenever I watch with them.

As far as the IWC goes, the IWC is never actually on the same page; there's always another group on the opposite side of the argument. For every guy who likes Cena, there's a Guy hates Cena, and those who hate speak loudest. One more often speaks up against something they hate than they jerk off something they like; it's a consequence of free speech. Take Christian's run last year for instance; everyone wanted Christian to win the title; then suddenly everyone was saying he couldn't carry it. It's not that the ppl who wanted him to be champ flip flopped and turned against him; it's just that there were also ppl who didn't want Christian to win the title and they became vocal AFTER he won the title. The Dirt Sheets and wrestling media just created a term they could use to generalize their toughest critics/biggest fans. It's like when another politician claims the "American People" do not support the President; that term is just a way to make your team seem bigger than they are. When the President was Bush, the "American People's" opinion was more liberal bc it was the leftists speaking out against the Right Wing President. Now that it's the Democrat Obama, "the American People" are suddenly right leaning conservatives. They say "the American People" bc the statement is technically true, plus it just sounds like ALL the ppl in American (or at least some vast majority) believe the same. Which I doubt is EVER actually true. Guy's within the business of pro wrestling use the word IWC in the same fashion, but they give it a negative connotation. When we praise them, we're "the fans;" when we criticize them we're "the IWC."

Ya know, I've watched ROH & am actually quite thrilled in their tag matches. Simply because they give them time unlike the WWE's. I like how they do allow the guys to put on matches... Still don't know half the names though LOL.

I don't think that's the problem with the WWE... I think they just kill off someone who is rolling (say Mark Henry, Big Zeke, Ziggler, Kofi)... And then push either a completely new random into the scene, or the same person we've seen for ages.

TNA is just not interesting to watch at all. Even still, it's like they're chickens with their heads cut off.

See, I say it's IWC at any point... I differ fans from IWC... I'd consider the IWC to be those that follow not only every little bit of dirt, but believe in it, & pretty much fall in favor for the talked about guy on the sites. A fan to me, is simply just the guy who watches the tv shows, takes em for what it is, and comes back for more. I think the majority of the IWC, falls inferior to the fans, simply because they can't just enjoy the show now... One thing I have noticed even with myself, is that wrestling is a bit (for what it's worth) more enjoyable to watch, when you just watch RAW mondays, iMPACT thursdays, SD fridays, & ROH saturdays, and then wait to see what's going to happen next without all the other interruptions. Kind of how it's supposed to be... People hop on a guy's bandwagon or fall off because of what they read on dirt sheets... Ex: mason Ryan... The guy completely SUCKS, but people from the IWC took a liking to him ebcause he told Vince he wasn't ready for that push... Why as a fan, is that even important to know??? Then, his look-alike Batista... Well people in the IWC started to s**t on him because of a few backstage altercations... Who reaslly needs to know that? Just know what the show tells you... Idk.

[Big Red Machine]

They took the belt off of Hnery because of an injury. That is why he has been used so sparingly since then.

[badnewzxl]

See, I say it's IWC at any point... I differ fans from IWC... I'd consider the IWC to be those that follow not only every little bit of dirt, but believe in it, & pretty much fall in favor for the talked about guy on the sites. A fan to me, is simply just the guy who watches the tv shows, takes em for what it is, and comes back for more. I think the majority of the IWC, falls inferior to the fans, simply because they can't just enjoy the show now... One thing I have noticed even with myself, is that wrestling is a bit (for what it's worth) more enjoyable to watch, when you just watch RAW mondays, iMPACT thursdays, SD fridays, & ROH saturdays, and then wait to see what's going to happen next without all the other interruptions. Kind of how it's supposed to be... People hop on a guy's bandwagon or fall off because of what they read on dirt sheets... Ex: mason Ryan... The guy completely SUCKS, but people from the IWC took a liking to him ebcause he told Vince he wasn't ready for that push... Why as a fan, is that even important to know??? Then, his look-alike Batista... Well people in the IWC started to s**t on him because of a few backstage altercations... Who reaslly needs to know that? Just know what the show tells you... Idk.

Exactly; but I blame that on the stigma that's been placed around the word itself. Yeah, more ppl on the internet feel like insiders and analyze things too much a LOT of times; but the fact that the IWC is ONLY used as a term when the person wnts to say something negative shows that the term was created ONLY for that reason. The folks he began to like Mason Ryan after hearing about that thing were obviously impressed by Ryan's humility in a spot where most folks' ego would have taken over instead. It def doesn't make him a better wrestler; if those fans wanted him to suddenly get a push bc of his humility, then I totally agree that that would be absolutely stupid. But I don't see anything wrong with them liking the guy as a person; so long as they don't act like that makes him somehow a better wrestler.

I totally agree with what you're saying cuz that kinda thing bothers me too sometimes, but imo, the "IWC" is just a a way for promotors and the lot to write off opinions they don't like. Bischof is the one who popularized the term and he was using basically to dismiss all the HORRIBLE criticisms that TNA was getting last year and the year before. It would have sounded bad for them to say "the wrestling fans don't know how to run a wrestling org" bc they'd be insulting the entire fanbase (seemingly). Instead, he said "IWC" so that all the fans who didn't necessarily have a problem with TNA could say "he wasn't talking about me; he was talking about THEM. I'm a wrestling fan; they're "internet wrestling fans.""

It's kinda like the old bs statement I heard WAAAY too many times in my life (and I'm sure you've had the experience, SONIC) when ppl try to explain some fundamental difference between "being a n*gga" and being "a black person." The only difference between a black person and a n*gga (according to that bs ignorant folks try to get over) is a bunch of negative things that can be summed up in another word. It makes me wanna throw up when someone not black says something like "I have no problem with black ppl; I just hate n*ggas" or if a black person says "I'm a black man; not a n*gga." I get the same feeling when I see ppl talk about the "IWC" as if they are not a part of it. The funniest thing about it all is that the folks who don't go on to the internet would NEVER use IWC as an insult bc the term is ONLY used on the internet and radio; the fans you talked about who only watch the tv shows will NEVER even hear the term. That's why I'm so sure the IWC term is just a scapegoat of sorts.

[Big Bad Booty Daddy]

I can see where your coming from Sonic. I only really watch TNA now and it gets stale after a while so every so often i do as Rabid and BRM do and go watch some old stuff (Usually 1988-2001, as this is when i enjoyed wrestling the most and had the pleasure of choosing either WWE,WCW or ECW)

Tag team wrestling is appalling at the min in TNA (and in WWE from what ive read on here)!!

[SONICdopeFRESH]

They took the belt off of Hnery because of an injury. That is why he has been used so sparingly since then.

Used sparingly??? He's been on the show week-in & week-out... Hasn't been off more than say, a week or two. Recently, he's been jobbing to Show again... An article was even posted up on here about how he may leave because he was unhappy that Vince made him work through his injury, thus why he's been jobbing as of late... Used sparingly is WAYYYYYYY off. More like, not being used right!!! Why? Ok, if they were going to make him work through the injury, they SHOULD'VE kept the belt on him. He was the most over heel in the company when he had the belt. Not to mention how good he was doing, and his matches were perhaps the best he has ever had. They took the belt off a guy who they built up as a monster, who was more deserving for a LENGTHY title run than ANYONE IN WRESTLING, and who was doing a damned good job as champion... To give it to a good wrestler that still hasn't gotten over as being good enough to be in the ring with that company in the first place... Yeah, ok. Politics. Straight politics.

[SONICdopeFRESH]

See, I say it's IWC at any point... I differ fans from IWC... I'd consider the IWC to be those that follow not only every little bit of dirt, but believe in it, & pretty much fall in favor for the talked about guy on the sites. A fan to me, is simply just the guy who watches the tv shows, takes em for what it is, and comes back for more. I think the majority of the IWC, falls inferior to the fans, simply because they can't just enjoy the show now... One thing I have noticed even with myself, is that wrestling is a bit (for what it's worth) more enjoyable to watch, when you just watch RAW mondays, iMPACT thursdays, SD fridays, & ROH saturdays, and then wait to see what's going to happen next without all the other interruptions. Kind of how it's supposed to be... People hop on a guy's bandwagon or fall off because of what they read on dirt sheets... Ex: mason Ryan... The guy completely SUCKS, but people from the IWC took a liking to him ebcause he told Vince he wasn't ready for that push... Why as a fan, is that even important to know??? Then, his look-alike Batista... Well people in the IWC started to s**t on him because of a few backstage altercations... Who reaslly needs to know that? Just know what the show tells you... Idk.

Exactly; but I blame that on the stigma that's been placed around the word itself. Yeah, more ppl on the internet feel like insiders and analyze things too much a LOT of times; but the fact that the IWC is ONLY used as a term when the person wnts to say something negative shows that the term was created ONLY for that reason. The folks he began to like Mason Ryan after hearing about that thing were obviously impressed by Ryan's humility in a spot where most folks' ego would have taken over instead. It def doesn't make him a better wrestler; if those fans wanted him to suddenly get a push bc of his humility, then I totally agree that that would be absolutely stupid. But I don't see anything wrong with them liking the guy as a person; so long as they don't act like that makes him somehow a better wrestler.

I totally agree with what you're saying cuz that kinda thing bothers me too sometimes, but imo, the "IWC" is just a a way for promotors and the lot to write off opinions they don't like. Bischof is the one who popularized the term and he was using basically to dismiss all the HORRIBLE criticisms that TNA was getting last year and the year before. It would have sounded bad for them to say "the wrestling fans don't know how to run a wrestling org" bc they'd be insulting the entire fanbase (seemingly). Instead, he said "IWC" so that all the fans who didn't necessarily have a problem with TNA could say "he wasn't talking about me; he was talking about THEM. I'm a wrestling fan; they're "internet wrestling fans.""

It's kinda like the old bs statement I heard WAAAY too many times in my life (and I'm sure you've had the experience, SONIC) when ppl try to explain some fundamental difference between "being a n*gga" and being "a black person." The only difference between a black person and a n*gga (according to that bs ignorant folks try to get over) is a bunch of negative things that can be summed up in another word. It makes me wanna throw up when someone not black says something like "I have no problem with black ppl; I just hate n*ggas" or if a black person says "I'm a black man; not a n*gga." I get the same feeling when I see ppl talk about the "IWC" as if they are not a part of it. The funniest thing about it all is that the folks who don't go on to the internet would NEVER use IWC as an insult bc the term is ONLY used on the internet and radio; the fans you talked about who only watch the tv shows will NEVER even hear the term. That's why I'm so sure the IWC term is just a scapegoat of sorts.

I think more recently within the last few months, the IWC has just been the standard term, not just associated with the negatives. And nah, roughly the same people are now saying they need to use mason more & get him on RAW... The guy is awful. No charisma, moves like he s**t himself, and his skills are horrific... Not to mention his terrible mic work. It's ONLY because of him winning over the hearts with that move. Better waddle right back to American Gladiators lol.

See, the difference between a fan & an internet fan, is simple. A fan merely watches the shows, takes them for what it is, and can't wait to see next week's... An internet fan does all of this LOL. Plus more.

I agree, although I think the IWC is more of a trend... It'll die with Twitter one day.

[SONICdopeFRESH]

I can see where your coming from Sonic. I only really watch TNA now and it gets stale after a while so every so often i do as Rabid and BRM do and go watch some old stuff (Usually 1988-2001, as this is when i enjoyed wrestling the most and had the pleasure of choosing either WWE,WCW or ECW)

Tag team wrestling is appalling at the min in TNA (and in WWE from what ive read on here)!!

Yeah I liked Beer Money but, we see where that went. I like ROH's tags though.

[Big Red Machine]

They took the belt off of Hnery because of an injury. That is why he has been used so sparingly since then.

Used sparingly??? He's been on the show week-in & week-out... Hasn't been off more than say, a week or two. Recently, he's been jobbing to Show again... An article was even posted up on here about how he may leave because he was unhappy that Vince made him work through his injury, thus why he's been jobbing as of late... Used sparingly is WAYYYYYYY off. More like, not being used right!!! Why? Ok, if they were going to make him work through the injury, they SHOULD'VE kept the belt on him. He was the most over heel in the company when he had the belt. Not to mention how good he was doing, and his matches were perhaps the best he has ever had. They took the belt off a guy who they built up as a monster, who was more deserving for a LENGTHY title run than ANYONE IN WRESTLING, and who was doing a damned good job as champion... To give it to a good wrestler that still hasn't gotten over as being good enough to be in the ring with that company in the first place... Yeah, ok. Politics. Straight politics.

He has always on the show, but they kept him out of matches for a month following TLC. Assumedly he didn't feel that he was ready to return after that, but Vince pushed him to come back.

I agree with you about him being used poorly.

[Big Red Machine]

See, I say it's IWC at any point... I differ fans from IWC... I'd consider the IWC to be those that follow not only every little bit of dirt, but believe in it, & pretty much fall in favor for the talked about guy on the sites. A fan to me, is simply just the guy who watches the tv shows, takes em for what it is, and comes back for more. I think the majority of the IWC, falls inferior to the fans, simply because they can't just enjoy the show now... One thing I have noticed even with myself, is that wrestling is a bit (for what it's worth) more enjoyable to watch, when you just watch RAW mondays, iMPACT thursdays, SD fridays, & ROH saturdays, and then wait to see what's going to happen next without all the other interruptions. Kind of how it's supposed to be... People hop on a guy's bandwagon or fall off because of what they read on dirt sheets... Ex: mason Ryan... The guy completely SUCKS, but people from the IWC took a liking to him ebcause he told Vince he wasn't ready for that push... Why as a fan, is that even important to know??? Then, his look-alike Batista... Well people in the IWC started to s**t on him because of a few backstage altercations... Who reaslly needs to know that? Just know what the show tells you... Idk.

Exactly; but I blame that on the stigma that's been placed around the word itself. Yeah, more ppl on the internet feel like insiders and analyze things too much a LOT of times; but the fact that the IWC is ONLY used as a term when the person wnts to say something negative shows that the term was created ONLY for that reason. The folks he began to like Mason Ryan after hearing about that thing were obviously impressed by Ryan's humility in a spot where most folks' ego would have taken over instead. It def doesn't make him a better wrestler; if those fans wanted him to suddenly get a push bc of his humility, then I totally agree that that would be absolutely stupid. But I don't see anything wrong with them liking the guy as a person; so long as they don't act like that makes him somehow a better wrestler.

I totally agree with what you're saying cuz that kinda thing bothers me too sometimes, but imo, the "IWC" is just a a way for promotors and the lot to write off opinions they don't like. Bischof is the one who popularized the term and he was using basically to dismiss all the HORRIBLE criticisms that TNA was getting last year and the year before. It would have sounded bad for them to say "the wrestling fans don't know how to run a wrestling org" bc they'd be insulting the entire fanbase (seemingly). Instead, he said "IWC" so that all the fans who didn't necessarily have a problem with TNA could say "he wasn't talking about me; he was talking about THEM. I'm a wrestling fan; they're "internet wrestling fans.""

It's kinda like the old bs statement I heard WAAAY too many times in my life (and I'm sure you've had the experience, SONIC) when ppl try to explain some fundamental difference between "being a n*gga" and being "a black person." The only difference between a black person and a n*gga (according to that bs ignorant folks try to get over) is a bunch of negative things that can be summed up in another word. It makes me wanna throw up when someone not black says something like "I have no problem with black ppl; I just hate n*ggas" or if a black person says "I'm a black man; not a n*gga." I get the same feeling when I see ppl talk about the "IWC" as if they are not a part of it. The funniest thing about it all is that the folks who don't go on to the internet would NEVER use IWC as an insult bc the term is ONLY used on the internet and radio; the fans you talked about who only watch the tv shows will NEVER even hear the term. That's why I'm so sure the IWC term is just a scapegoat of sorts.

I think more recently within the last few months, the IWC has just been the standard term, not just associated with the negatives. And nah, roughly the same people are now saying they need to use mason more & get him on RAW... The guy is awful. No charisma, moves like he s**t himself, and his skills are horrific... Not to mention his terrible mic work. It's ONLY because of him winning over the hearts with that move. Better waddle right back to American Gladiators lol.

See, the difference between a fan & an internet fan, is simple. A fan merely watches the shows, takes them for what it is, and can't wait to see next week's... An internet fan does all of this LOL. Plus more.

I agree, although I think the IWC is more of a trend... It'll die with Twitter one day.

And what is wrong with discussing the show with others who also enjoy it?
What is wrong with critiquing? With saying what you did and didn't like?

[Serujuunin]

I have to admit... Wrestling is losing interest from me too. I still watch RAW, Smackdown, TNA and FCW to keep up with the angles and whats happening, but I just don't care about most of the garbage they try to sell as angles. I'm patiently waiting for the day to come where it starts being interesting to me, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm not sure if it's just that I'm losing interest in it for no real reason or what, but it just doesn't do it for me right now.

[SONICdopeFRESH]

He has always on the show, but they kept him out of matches for a month following TLC. Assumedly he didn't feel that he was ready to return after that, but Vince pushed him to come back.

I agree with you about him being used poorly.

I vaguely recall him wrestling during that month, but I could be wrong. I know he took some bumps though. And even if it was a month, the champion only has to defend the strap once a month. They could've even done an interesting small angle to play into that, but nooo they just took away all of his steam. Don't get me wrong, still not a Bryan fan... But I guess I am more disturbed with the way the WWE has treated Mark Henry.

[SONICdopeFRESH]

And what is wrong with discussing the show with others who also enjoy it?
What is wrong with critiquing? With saying what you did and didn't like?

Nothing, but the internet DOES shine light on these guys outide of the ring & it taints one's impression on a performer.