Soooo..... *SPOILER*

[Big Red Machine]

Roddy beat Lethal to win the TV Title. This makes absolutely no sense. It does very little for Roddy (he's already won the belt and he doesn't need a belt right now), and all if does is keep this Roddy vs. Lethal feud going (for both titles) when it should have really ended cleanly in Philly back in August.

[cero2k]

Roddy beat Lethal to win the TV Title. This makes absolutely no sense. It does very little for Roddy (he's already won the belt and he doesn't need a belt right now), and all if does is keep this Roddy vs. Lethal feud going (for both titles) when it should have really ended cleanly in Philly back in August.

i was actually wondering if this win counts toward a title shot for the main title

[Big Red Machine]

Roddy beat Lethal to win the TV Title. This makes absolutely no sense. It does very little for Roddy (he's already won the belt and he doesn't need a belt right now), and all if does is keep this Roddy vs. Lethal feud going (for both titles) when it should have really ended cleanly in Philly back in August.

i was actually wondering if this win counts toward a title shot for the main title

Logically it should. He did beat the world champion cleanly in the middle of the ring... which is the problem with double singles champion angles like this.

[cero2k]

Roddy beat Lethal to win the TV Title. This makes absolutely no sense. It does very little for Roddy (he's already won the belt and he doesn't need a belt right now), and all if does is keep this Roddy vs. Lethal feud going (for both titles) when it should have really ended cleanly in Philly back in August.

i was actually wondering if this win counts toward a title shot for the main title

Logically it should. He did beat the world champion cleanly in the middle of the ring... which is the problem with double singles champion angles like this.

i guess it would have been fine with any other wrestler to just get another title shot (ignoring that Lethal has a rematch clause), problem with Roddy is he already lost twice

[Big Red Machine]

i was actually wondering if this win counts toward a title shot for the main title

Logically it should. He did beat the world champion cleanly in the middle of the ring... which is the problem with double singles champion angles like this.

i guess it would have been fine with any other wrestler to just get another title shot (ignoring that Lethal has a rematch clause), problem with Roddy is he already lost twice

No. He only lost once, and it wasn't clean. Lethal hit Roddy with the title belt, Roddy kicked out at two, then Lethal put him down with the Lethal Injection... which just makes me wonder what the point of the belt shot even was. If the idea is that Lethal needed to cheat to beat Roddy and thus Roddy deserves a rematch, the belt should have been the finish and Roddy should have gotten another world title shot. If you were going to say that Roddy doesn't deserve another title shot, Lethal shouldn't have used the belt and Roddy shouldn't have gotten another shot at either title.

[cero2k]

No. He only lost once, and it wasn't clean. Lethal hit Roddy with the title belt, Roddy kicked out at two, then Lethal put him down with the Lethal Injection... which just makes me wonder what the point of the belt shot even was. If the idea is that Lethal needed to cheat to beat Roddy and thus Roddy deserves a rematch, the belt should have been the finish and Roddy should have gotten another world title shot. If you were going to say that Roddy doesn't deserve another title shot, Lethal shouldn't have used the belt and Roddy shouldn't have gotten another shot at either title.

let me rephrase that, Roddy already failed twice at capturing the title

[Big Red Machine]

No. He only lost once, and it wasn't clean. Lethal hit Roddy with the title belt, Roddy kicked out at two, then Lethal put him down with the Lethal Injection... which just makes me wonder what the point of the belt shot even was. If the idea is that Lethal needed to cheat to beat Roddy and thus Roddy deserves a rematch, the belt should have been the finish and Roddy should have gotten another world title shot. If you were going to say that Roddy doesn't deserve another title shot, Lethal shouldn't have used the belt and Roddy shouldn't have gotten another shot at either title.

let me rephrase that, Roddy already failed twice at capturing the title

Which just exacerbates the other problem because not only should the guy who beats the double champion logically get a title shot, but in this case it's a guy we've already seen get a title shot multiple times.

[cero2k]

Which just exacerbates the other problem because not only should the guy who beats the double champion logically get a title shot, but in this case it's a guy we've already seen get a title shot multiple times.

exactly, that's why i'm saying that it would be ok for someone else, say Moose for example, to take the TV title and with that earn a shot at the world title, and simply lose that second match.

[Big Red Machine]

I just looked at more results from the tapings, and I'm really not a fan.

ANX loses again, killing not only their momentum, but their claim to being the rightful champions.

Moose and Elgin are probably going to face off in a #1 contendership match at Final Battle... which, if you'll recall, is two thirds of the #1 contendership match at the PPV they did in June, and Elgin was also in the #1 contendership match in the PPV they did a few weeks ago.
War Machine vs. Kingdom for the tag titles is official, which feels completely out of nowhere and also makes you question that the point of booking those four-way qualifiers with all of the tag team guys was if you aren't going to do Briscoes vs. ANX vs. War Machine vs. Addiction at Final Battle (and even if you are going to do it, setting it up with a few random instances o these teams training wins and then doing those four ways at SOTF if a lazy and dull way to do it).

Also..and BY FAR the most infuriating: reports are that we aren't getting Whitmer vs. Corino at all, unless they are shooting a lot of backstage stuff.

[Big Red Machine]

Which just exacerbates the other problem because not only should the guy who beats the double champion logically get a title shot, but in this case it's a guy we've already seen get a title shot multiple times.

exactly, that's why i'm saying that it would be ok for someone else, say Moose for example, to take the TV title and with that earn a shot at the world title, and simply lose that second match.

Except that in losing the second match, Lethal would have defeated the TV Champion and thus deserving of a title match, creating a vicious cycle (maybe unless Moose lost by DQ, but that would have to lead to a rematch unless it was an intentional DQ, which a babyface shouldn't do).
Just about the only way out of it is to do what I did in my fantasy booking and switch the TV Title very quickly a second time, and then not have Lethal go for his rematch until he has already lost the world title.

[cero2k]

that works, or lethal losing the second title before Roddy can challenge

[Big Red Machine]

that works, or lethal losing the second title before Roddy can challenge

I hadn't thought of that. With the only shows left being SOTF, Nashville, and Ft. Lauderdale, combined with the idea being floated around that that doing AJ vs. Lethal at Final Battle means we'll get an HOT vs Bullet Club match at one of those shows (which would actually be a perfect main event SOTF Night 1), it wouldn't be too hard to hold off on the rematch until after Final Battle (although if they were going to do that it would have been best to put Roddy in SOTF and have him lose in the SOTF main, so he would be booked up for both nights of SOTF and then give whoever eliminated him a title shot on one of the other nights. Then all you have to do is make one of those other shows Tag Wars and put the team of Lethal & Dijak in the tournament and you've successfully held things off until after Final Battle).

[cero2k]

that works, or lethal losing the second title before Roddy can challenge

I hadn't thought of that. With the only shows left being SOTF, Nashville, and Ft. Lauderdale, combined with the idea being floated around that that doing AJ vs. Lethal at Final Battle means we'll get an HOT vs Bullet Club match at one of those shows (which would actually be a perfect main event SOTF Night 1), it wouldn't be too hard to hold off on the rematch until after Final Battle (although if they were going to do that it would have been best to put Roddy in SOTF and have him lose in the SOTF main, so he would be booked up for both nights of SOTF and then give whoever eliminated him a title shot on one of the other nights. Then all you have to do is make one of those other shows Tag Wars and put the team of Lethal & Dijak in the tournament and you've successfully held things off until after Final Battle).

that even makes me think that they should have kept Watannabe's (or someone else's) title shot and Champions vs All Stars for some of those shows. at this point the idea of a team with Lethal, Roddy, and the Kingdom is awesome. they all have beef with each other in some way

[Big Red Machine]

that works, or lethal losing the second title before Roddy can challenge

I hadn't thought of that. With the only shows left being SOTF, Nashville, and Ft. Lauderdale, combined with the idea being floated around that that doing AJ vs. Lethal at Final Battle means we'll get an HOT vs Bullet Club match at one of those shows (which would actually be a perfect main event SOTF Night 1), it wouldn't be too hard to hold off on the rematch until after Final Battle (although if they were going to do that it would have been best to put Roddy in SOTF and have him lose in the SOTF main, so he would be booked up for both nights of SOTF and then give whoever eliminated him a title shot on one of the other nights. Then all you have to do is make one of those other shows Tag Wars and put the team of Lethal & Dijak in the tournament and you've successfully held things off until after Final Battle).

that even makes me think that they should have kept Watannabe's (or someone else's) title shot and Champions vs All Stars for some of those shows. at this point the idea of a team with Lethal, Roddy, and the Kingdom is awesome. they all have beef with each other in some way

That's a good idea about Watanabe. I think the only reason they did it when they did it was that Watanabe was due to leave before that (and I'm also sure that's the only reason they gave Watanabe the title shot in the first place).
As for Lethal/Roddy/Kingdom as the championship team... what beef is there with anyone aside from Lethal/Roddy?
Also, apparently AJ is injured so he couldn't wrestle on either show this weekend while ACH suffered a concussion on Friday so he was out of Champions vs. All-Stars, too. The All-Stars team ended up being Addiction, Dalton Castle, and Elgin, which is really underwhelming.

[cero2k]

As for Lethal/Roddy/Kingdom as the championship team... what beef is there with anyone aside from Lethal/Roddy?
Also, apparently AJ is injured so he couldn't wrestle on either show this weekend while ACH suffered a concussion on Friday so he was out of Champions vs. All-Stars, too. The All-Stars team ended up being Addiction, Dalton Castle, and Elgin, which is really underwhelming.

Kingdom definitely want Lethal's title for Cole (who could be part of 'all-stars'), and beef between Roddy and Kingdom is not that hard to build

[Big Red Machine]

As for Lethal/Roddy/Kingdom as the championship team... what beef is there with anyone aside from Lethal/Roddy?
Also, apparently AJ is injured so he couldn't wrestle on either show this weekend while ACH suffered a concussion on Friday so he was out of Champions vs. All-Stars, too. The All-Stars team ended up being Addiction, Dalton Castle, and Elgin, which is really underwhelming.

Kingdom definitely want Lethal's title for Cole (who could be part of 'all-stars'), and beef between Roddy and Kingdom is not that hard to build

That's true about Kingdom & Lethal (which would have made it infinitely more interesting to have Cole on the All-Stars team... but instead we got Dalton Castle... because that Adam Cole vs. WILL FERRARA match was so damn important).

[Big Red Machine]

Daniels pinned both Kingdom members in Champions vs. All-Stars, so it looks like they are keeping that feud alive via title shots for some reason.

Also, I was wrong about Elgin being in the match. The All-Stars team was Addiction, Castle, & Moose, which is even less of an all-star team.
Elgin did, though, apparently manage to pull a good match out of Dijak.

[cero2k]

It also seems like Moose vs Elgin could be a thing soon

[Big Red Machine]

It also seems like Moose vs Elgin could be a thing soon

It looks like they're building those two for a #1 contendership match at Final Battle... which feels old because they were two thirds of the 1 contendership match at the June PPV.

At this point, though, if they were trying to build Elgin to a title shot using his momentum from the G1, they've already lost that momentum.

[Big Red Machine]

The reason for the Corino thing (and lack of Whitmer vs. Corino match) is that Corino apparently needs spinal fusion surgery.