All time Top 50 Tag Teams

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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by ECWFlairfan » Feb 8th, '11, 11:12

Big Red Machine wrote:IMO if you are assembling a list of all-time greats, you have to be very selective. Public Enemy? Really? Yeah, they won some belts, but ECW's tag team scene at that time was eh, and they didn't do a damn thing in WCW. They won the belts, held them for two weeks, then lost them right back to Harlem heat and were barely ever seen again.

The Hollys and Roode & Young Definitely don't belong. Yeah, they won the belts a few times, but they never did anything with them, and didn't have any memorable moves or moments at all. Triple H and Austin held all of the gold, but they only teamed together for a few months. To call them one of the all-time great tag teams is absurd. Same goes for Benoit and Jericho.

Strong and Evans are perhaps the all-time best team to never win the belts. Their offense is just amazing.

Briscoes:
6 time tag team champions in ROH (during which time they have beaten teams like Steenerico, KoW, the American Wolves, the Second City Saints, Maff & Whitmer... basically every team you can think of).
They are the ONLY Gaijin tag team to win the GHC Jr . Heavyweight Tag Team Titles
1 time in FIP
They won the CZW World Tag Team Titles at ages 16 and 17 despite not being a deathmatch team at a time CZW was very focused on the deathmatch product, with a tag team scene that included the H8 Club and the Backseat Boyz (who are another team who deserve consideration on this list because of the way that their style has influenced tag team wrestling)

The American Wolves have only won World Tag Team Titles in ROH and 2CW, but they are many people's go to "indy dream match team." Also, during their relatively short time as a tag team they have put on an outstanding series of matches (since their first three months as a team, they have yet to have a match below 7/10, which is my minimum for main event quality). They deserve to be on this list based on workrate alone.

AOTF is another team that I would leave off. Yeah, they won the belts in ROH and PWG, but they were never really about the belts as much as they were their feuds or the power that the belts represent.

The Colons belong nowhere near this list. They did absolutely nothing.

Generation Me/The Young Bucks should definitely be on this list, though, as should AMW.
Public Enemy? Yeah, because Heyman took a huge risk on them & it paid off huge in ECW, they went on to WCW & won their titles, & in my opinion should have gotten a run with the WWF belts & I've heard rumors that they would have if they hadn't upset Patterson & Brisco...

HHH/Austin? Yeah, because if HHH hadn't gotten injured that angle would have likely lasted a lot longer...

Benoit/Jericho were actually a team of singles wrestlers that made a whole lot of sense at the time (unlike Rock/Mankind, Big Show/Undertaker, among MANY others then)

American Wolves need to get to TNA or WWE (preferably TNA) & get those titles to be included in this argument (greatest all time indie? maybe)

The Colons unified the two WWE tag team titles...that history alone qualifies them... besides, WWE screwed up in breaking them apart as well...

I agree AMW belongs, but who gets bumped for them?

Gen Me/Young Bucks will eventually be included IF they get a run with the TNA belts...

Also, Motor City Machine Guns deserve inclusion as well, but again...who gets bumped?

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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by ECWFlairfan » Feb 8th, '11, 11:15

Big Red Machine wrote:But it's not the "50 most well-known tag teams of all time." It is the "All-time top 50 tag teams."
touche... but how will we know how great a team is if they aren't somewhat well known at the same time? Not being disagreeable, just saying...

Also, I want to publicly thank everyone that has posted on my blog, this has been an education for me... I love that everyone here seems to love tag team wrestling...

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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by ECWFlairfan » Feb 8th, '11, 11:16

Big Red Machine wrote:
badnewzxl wrote:
Kings of Wrestling; they held three different tag titles from three different promotions at once. I can't think of another team that's done that. Plus, they are now the longest reigning ROH tag champs having held the belts for close to a year.
Not just that, but those promotions were the three biggest indies in North America.
I agree, they belong...but who do we remove to make room? (As I am convinced I am changing the original blog)

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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by Rabid619 » Feb 8th, '11, 11:16

ECWFlairfan wrote:American Wolves need to get to TNA or WWE (preferably TNA) & get those titles to be included in this argument (greatest all time indie? maybe)

The American Wolves have only won World Tag Team Titles in ROH and 2CW, but they are many people's go to "indy dream match team." Also, during their relatively short time as a tag team they have put on an outstanding series of matches (since their first three months as a team, they have yet to have a match below 7/10, which is my minimum for main event quality). They deserve to be on this list based on workrate alone.
Wolves are a great tag team. They've proven they are. They dont have to go to TNA or WWE to make the top 50 list. Being a top tag team isnt all about holding titles. It's about skill and putting on great matches. Wolves have won gold in ROH and they have great matches about every time they're in the ring regardless of whether or not its a tag match. They do great individually as well.
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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by ECWFlairfan » Feb 8th, '11, 11:18

Rabid619 wrote:
ECWFlairfan wrote:American Wolves need to get to TNA or WWE (preferably TNA) & get those titles to be included in this argument (greatest all time indie? maybe)

The American Wolves have only won World Tag Team Titles in ROH and 2CW, but they are many people's go to "indy dream match team." Also, during their relatively short time as a tag team they have put on an outstanding series of matches (since their first three months as a team, they have yet to have a match below 7/10, which is my minimum for main event quality). They deserve to be on this list based on workrate alone.
Wolves are a great tag team. They've proven they are. They dont have to go to TNA or WWE to make the top 50 list. Being a top tag team isnt all about holding titles. It's about skill and putting on great matches. Wolves have won gold in ROH and they have great matches about every time they're in the ring regardless of whether or not its a tag match. They do great individually as well.
But going to TNA or WWE helps make them more well known & with that increases their argument that they belong... but as I keep saying, who gets bumped to include them?

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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by Rabid619 » Feb 8th, '11, 11:32

ECWFlairfan wrote:But going to TNA or WWE helps make them more well known & with that increases their argument that they belong... but as I keep saying, who gets bumped to include them?
Nastys, Rated RKO. Rated RKO was a "team" for like not even 6 months i think. Should they be on this list? They had one feud. Doesnt matter that they won the tag team titles either. Being in a top company like WWE doesnt mean you're better than teams in non top companies.
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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by ECWFlairfan » Feb 8th, '11, 11:44

Kings of Wrestling replaces Edge & Randy Orton (Rated RKO)

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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by Rabid619 » Feb 8th, '11, 11:50

ECWFlairfan wrote:Kings of Wrestling replaces Edge & Randy Orton (Rated RKO)
Nastys get replaced by the American Wolves then. Nastys dont deserve to be on the list. They were terrible in their "prime" and they're still terrible.
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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by ECWFlairfan » Feb 8th, '11, 11:54

I can't believe I left off The Wild Samoans!!!!!!!!!!!! But who to remove to make room?

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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by ECWFlairfan » Feb 8th, '11, 11:55

Wild Samoans & America's Most Wanted replace HHH/Austin & Jericho/Benoit

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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by ECWFlairfan » Feb 8th, '11, 11:57

Jack & Mark Brisco replace Dusty Rhodes & Nikita Koloff

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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by ECWFlairfan » Feb 8th, '11, 11:58

Jack & Jerry Brisco replaces Natural Disasters

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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by Big Red Machine » Feb 8th, '11, 12:36

ECWFlairfan wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote:IMO if you are assembling a list of all-time greats, you have to be very selective. Public Enemy? Really? Yeah, they won some belts, but ECW's tag team scene at that time was eh, and they didn't do a damn thing in WCW. They won the belts, held them for two weeks, then lost them right back to Harlem heat and were barely ever seen again.

The Hollys and Roode & Young Definitely don't belong. Yeah, they won the belts a few times, but they never did anything with them, and didn't have any memorable moves or moments at all. Triple H and Austin held all of the gold, but they only teamed together for a few months. To call them one of the all-time great tag teams is absurd. Same goes for Benoit and Jericho.

Strong and Evans are perhaps the all-time best team to never win the belts. Their offense is just amazing.

Briscoes:
6 time tag team champions in ROH (during which time they have beaten teams like Steenerico, KoW, the American Wolves, the Second City Saints, Maff & Whitmer... basically every team you can think of).
They are the ONLY Gaijin tag team to win the GHC Jr . Heavyweight Tag Team Titles
1 time in FIP
They won the CZW World Tag Team Titles at ages 16 and 17 despite not being a deathmatch team at a time CZW was very focused on the deathmatch product, with a tag team scene that included the H8 Club and the Backseat Boyz (who are another team who deserve consideration on this list because of the way that their style has influenced tag team wrestling)

The American Wolves have only won World Tag Team Titles in ROH and 2CW, but they are many people's go to "indy dream match team." Also, during their relatively short time as a tag team they have put on an outstanding series of matches (since their first three months as a team, they have yet to have a match below 7/10, which is my minimum for main event quality). They deserve to be on this list based on workrate alone.

AOTF is another team that I would leave off. Yeah, they won the belts in ROH and PWG, but they were never really about the belts as much as they were their feuds or the power that the belts represent.

The Colons belong nowhere near this list. They did absolutely nothing.

Generation Me/The Young Bucks should definitely be on this list, though, as should AMW.
Public Enemy? Yeah, because Heyman took a huge risk on them & it paid off huge in ECW, they went on to WCW & won their titles, & in my opinion should have gotten a run with the WWF belts & I've heard rumors that they would have if they hadn't upset Patterson & Brisco...

HHH/Austin? Yeah, because if HHH hadn't gotten injured that angle would have likely lasted a lot longer...
But they didn't. You can't base a list of "all-time greatest" off of hypotheticals.
ECWFlairfan wrote: Benoit/Jericho were actually a team of singles wrestlers that made a whole lot of sense at the time (unlike Rock/Mankind, Big Show/Undertaker, among MANY others then)
Just because they made more sense than other teams at the time does make them "all-time greats." When it comes down to it, they were only together for a few months.
ECWFlairfan wrote: American Wolves need to get to TNA or WWE (preferably TNA) & get those titles to be included in this argument (greatest all time indie? maybe)
Why should that matter? When it comes down to it, wrestling is about the wrestling. They have put on more must-see tag team matches than any team this decade with the possible exception of the Briscoe Brothers. This is a team that has been wrestling main event quality matches EVERY SHOW for two straight years! A good match in an ROH ring is just as good as the same match in a WWE or TNA ring.

And as for winning titles, it took MCMG four years to win the tag team titles, but during that time people acknowledged how great they were because they were putting on just plain awesome matches all over the world.
ECWFlairfan wrote: The Colons unified the two WWE tag team titles...that history alone qualifies them... besides, WWE screwed up in breaking them apart as well...
Not at all. The belts meant almost nothing at the time. That was why they unified in them in the first place. Making history about nothing is still nothing.
By that same logic, RVD is one of the greatest European Champions of all-time simply because he took the belt from Jeff, and Bryan Danielson is one of the greatest Pure Champions simply because he was the champ who unified the belts.
ECWFlairfan wrote: I agree AMW belongs, but who gets bumped for them?...

Also, Motor City Machine Guns deserve inclusion as well, but again...who gets bumped?
The Colons. Doring & Roadkill, Badd Company, Miz & Morrison. Hayes & Garvin (good, but not an all-time great team by any means). Same goes for Kane & Taker. Hell, Triple H & HBK never really beat anyone real.
ECWFlairfan wrote: Gen Me/Young Bucks will eventually be included IF they get a run with the TNA belts...
Why wait? They dominated the scene in PWG and have put on great matches during their few appearances elsewhere.
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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by Big Red Machine » Feb 8th, '11, 12:37

ECWFlairfan wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote:But it's not the "50 most well-known tag teams of all time." It is the "All-time top 50 tag teams."
touche... but how will we know how great a team is if they aren't somewhat well known at the same time? Not being disagreeable, just saying...
Workrate? Promos? Memorable moments/angles? Overall impact on the business?
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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by cero2k » Feb 8th, '11, 12:56

DX was a relevant stable in the 90s, but as a tag team, they didn't start until their run against McMahon/Spirit Squad. Their history AS A tag team is not that amazing, they only won tag gold once (and for the first time) and lost them considerably soon. DX as a stable is surely to be in the top ten, but as a tag team, they're not that important.

Los Colons, Los Guerreros were not THAT relevant. Los Colons unified the titles pretty much by default, because there wasn't anymore teams to contend and they wanted to break up Morrison and Miz.

Los Guerreros were all about Eddie and nothing more, Chavo was just there. They won titles, but so did Edge/Mysterio, Kane/everyone. that doesn't mean they were good.

Doring and Roadkill, they may have been the final ECW champs, but then again, they were the last tag team champs of a dying company, that is not that important, and does not make you a great team, there is a reason the team didn't make it to WWE. If it were important, O'Haire and Palumbo should be in the list, but again, they weren't that relevant.

I would say remove Los Colons and add MNM, remove Los Guerreros and add The Briscoe Brothers, remove DX and add the MCMG, remove Doring and Roadkill and add London/Kendrick (one of the longest tag titles reign in WWE).

and i would probably go ahead and remove the Nastiz and add LAX.
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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by Rabid619 » Feb 8th, '11, 18:15

cero2k wrote: I would say remove Los Colons and add MNM, remove Los Guerreros and add The Briscoe Brothers, remove DX and add the MCMG, remove Doring and Roadkill and add London/Kendrick (one of the longest tag titles reign in WWE).

and i would probably go ahead and remove the Nastiz and add LAX.
All this!!

Colons werent around for that long and didnt make a huge impact. Los Guerreros were like you said all about Eddie. DX again like you said should be a top stable, not a top tag team.

I was a HUGE London & Kendrick fan. If they hooked up again anywhere i'd kill to watch because i always found them to be exciting. Their tag title reign was very important because they beat a lot of ppl during their reign AND they looked awesome doing it.

Nastys shouldnt have been there in the first place, LAX is much more deserving.
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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by NWK » Feb 9th, '11, 01:29

I say remove The Bad Company and replace them with the Oriental Express. I'd say OE was a better Pat Tanaka tag team than Bad Company.
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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by yourcrapsweak » Feb 9th, '11, 08:43

Two questions...

1. Why is the WGTT lower than Carlito and Primo? They're not even close.

2. WHERE ARE THE BRAVADOS?
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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by ECWFlairfan » Feb 9th, '11, 10:32

yourcrapsweak wrote:Two questions...

1. Why is the WGTT lower than Carlito and Primo? They're not even close.

2. WHERE ARE THE BRAVADOS?
The numbers are there to make sure I only listed 50...

Who are the Bravados? (If they are an indie team then I apologize for not knowing more about independent wrestling)

The problem with listing teams who are good right now is that for a while, most wrestling companies actually cared about tag team wrestling to the point that past World tag team champions, when talked about now, are called World champions (like RW Animal for example)... so in that vein there were so many great teams in the past that to be honest if I have actual knowledge of the past not many current teams would be listed, if any at all... not saying they aren't good but tag team wrestling isn't what it used to be...

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Re: All time Top 50 Tag Teams

Post by ECWFlairfan » Feb 9th, '11, 10:33

NWK wrote:I say remove The Bad Company and replace them with the Oriental Express. I'd say OE was a better Pat Tanaka tag team than Bad Company.
Bad Company & Orient Express (once Kato joined Tanaka) are the same team...

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