badnewzxl wrote:

ECWFlairfan wrote:
Jerry Lawler is more than capable of winning the WWE title...

Seeing as that this has NEVER been the case at ANY other point in history, it just goes to show how lame it is that Miz holds the title....

Problem is... Lawler is in excellent shape... I could realistically believe that he could beat most anyone on WWE's roster... the only two that I don't think he could take are Khali & Big Show... everyone else, it is possible...

KILLdozer wrote:how do you want to hold it then?? someone has to

Orton, Morrison, Punk, Sheamus, or Cena before Miz OR King

ECWFlairfan wrote:

badnewzxl wrote:

ECWFlairfan wrote:
Jerry Lawler is more than capable of winning the WWE title...

Seeing as that this has NEVER been the case at ANY other point in history, it just goes to show how lame it is that Miz holds the title....

Problem is... Lawler is in excellent shape... I could realistically believe that he could beat most anyone on WWE's roster... the only two that I don't think he could take are Khali & Big Show... everyone else, it is possible...

He's in good shape for a 60 yr old man, but he's no match for superb athletes in their prime!

ECWFlairfan wrote:

cero2k wrote:first time i will agree with cole, Lawler has no business in a title match in a PPV.

No business??? He's won countless titles in his career, beaten countless legends... has main evented a PPV unifying 2 major World titles almost 15 years before Chris Jericho did between 2 companies NOT owned by the same family... further added 2 other heavyweight titles to it making it the closest to an actual unified World title than we ever had...
Not to mention at his age can still go better than more than 75% of the current roster who were nothing but a gleam in their father's eye when he began his career.

Does he deserve to become WWE champion? More than anyone on the roster today...

he may have done million of things during his wrestling career, but he's a broadcasting guy now, not a wrestler. I don't have a problem with him having a match here and there ON raw, but to headline a PPV against the World Champ?? People constantly bash TNA for giving on air/in ring time to old guys like Hogan, Flair, EV2.0, Hall, Douglas, The Nastyz, etc, and not giving time for guys like Red, Wolfe, EY, or Homicide.....sooo, how is this any different?? So far it seems like Dibiase will again miss a PPV, yet Lawler will headline one.

and to think that this match's purpose is to add fuel to the Cole/Lawler feud is just wrong (1) that feud is not relevant enough, and (2) if Lawler and Cole do reach WM to a match, it will be a waste of time of a "match"...announcers should be wrestling

i for once, if Lawler wins the title, i'll probably hurt myself with a huge facepalm

ECWFlairfan wrote:

cero2k wrote:first time i will agree with cole, Lawler has no business in a title match in a PPV.

No business??? He's won countless titles in his career, beaten countless legends... has main evented a PPV unifying 2 major World titles almost 15 years before Chris Jericho did between 2 companies NOT owned by the same family... further added 2 other heavyweight titles to it making it the closest to an actual unified World title than we ever had...
Not to mention at his age can still go better than more than 75% of the current roster who were nothing but a gleam in their father's eye when he began his career.

Does he deserve to become WWE champion? More than anyone on the roster today...

Look, it would be nice to see Lawler win the WWE Championship, then have it for one night to a week tops, then be scewed by Micheal Cole again, thus him getting what he has always wanted, a chance to be at Wrestlemania against Micheal Cole. But Jerry Lawler wrestling career sucks. The way how he won the AWA Title sucks because the only reason why he won it (Curt "Mr. Perfect" Hennig leaving the AWA to go to the WWE). Also the fact that he unified the AWA & WCCW World Titles sucks because it was a poor attempt for the AWA to stay in business. Plus after that match, he never wrestled for the AWA again because he didn't get paid for the match ( I don't blame him for that). He did make history, but no one in the wrestling business really cared about that. He's a HOF for his commentaor skills and charisma, but he was never really known for his wrestling.

I wanna see King win it and then have Miz win it back the next night on RAW by invoking his rematch clause. King then gets told that since he is not hired as a wrestler, his contract contains no clauses that relate to in ring performance, including a rematch clause. We then have Cole making fun of King about it over the next couple weeks, King goes to hit him, gets reminded that if he does, he'll be fired, but anon RAW GM pipes up saying that this wont be the case if King hits him within the legal confines of a wrestling match, and sets up Cole vs Lawler at Mania.

Positives of this angle:
*King gets a WWE title run to his name
*Miz still goes to Mania as champ
*King gets to pound Michael Cole on the grandest stage of them all.

Negatives of this angle:
Feel free to think of some.

kiel297 wrote:I wanna see King win it and then have Miz win it back the next night on RAW by invoking his rematch clause. King then gets told that since he is not hired as a wrestler, his contract contains no clauses that relate to in ring performance, including a rematch clause. We then have Cole making fun of King about it over the next couple weeks, King goes to hit him, gets reminded that if he does, he'll be fired, but anon RAW GM pipes up saying that this wont be the case if King hits him within the legal confines of a wrestling match, and sets up Cole vs Lawler at Mania.

Positives of this angle:
*King gets a WWE title run to his name
*Miz still goes to Mania as champ
*King gets to pound Michael Cole on the grandest stage of them all.

Negatives of this angle:
Feel free to think of some.

This is a good angle. The only negative I can think of would be that Cole vs. Lawler becomes a match at Mania. It is the sort of thing that I would much rather see as a moment in another match (like Trish getting her hands on Steph during the Vince vs. Shane Streetfight).

Big Red Machine wrote:This is a good angle. The only negative I can think of would be that Cole vs. Lawler becomes a match at Mania. It is the sort of thing that I would much rather see as a moment in another match (like Trish getting her hands on Steph during the Vince vs. Shane Streetfight).

I suppose so, but because of the "hit me and you're fired" limitation, a match is the only way it really could happen. It'd be less of a match and more Lawler hitting Cole a few times, embarrassing him, hitting his finisher on him and then pinning him. Although, they wouldn't be able to have Cole and Lawler on the same announce team for a while after that. It'd be a great way to have Cole LEAVE Raw, and have JR return in his place?

kiel297 wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote:This is a good angle. The only negative I can think of would be that Cole vs. Lawler becomes a match at Mania. It is the sort of thing that I would much rather see as a moment in another match (like Trish getting her hands on Steph during the Vince vs. Shane Streetfight).

I suppose so, but because of the "hit me and you're fired" limitation, a match is the only way it really could happen. It'd be less of a match and more Lawler hitting Cole a few times, embarrassing him, hitting his finisher on him and then pinning him. Although, they wouldn't be able to have Cole and Lawler on the same announce team for a while after that. It'd be a great way to have Cole LEAVE Raw, and have JR return in his place?

That's a good point. I don't think it would a problem having them on the same announce team after that, though. Cole would just shut up more. It still probably wouldn't be the best thing to have them both on the same announce team, though.

Catus Jack Manson wrote:He's a HOF for his commentaor skills and charisma, but he was never really known for his wrestling.

Never really known for his wrestling? There's not enough space on here to list the greats that he has wrestled (I'd add defeated but we all know thats predetermined)... Anyone forget he originally was signed by WWF to wrestle? He certainly wasn't carried by Bret Hart to the classics they had... Thing is, he is old... not arguing that. But he is still able to go...WAY more than Hogan, Steiner, Nash, & Undertaker... (Flair still can go but he looks WAY older than he is)... Truth is, he doesn't look his age, & given his chosen wrestling style (which isn't really WWE's by the way) he could still actually wrestle a full WWE schedule... so I am actively campaigning...VINCE MCMAHON! Give Lawler the WWE title, even if its for a couple weeks... He is easily one of the top 50 of all time & deserves a top World title...

ECWFlairfan wrote:

Catus Jack Manson wrote:He's a HOF for his commentaor skills and charisma, but he was never really known for his wrestling.

Never really known for his wrestling? There's not enough space on here to list the greats that he has wrestled (I'd add defeated but we all know thats predetermined)... Anyone forget he originally was signed by WWF to wrestle? He certainly wasn't carried by Bret Hart to the classics they had... Thing is, he is old... not arguing that. But he is still able to go...WAY more than Hogan, Steiner, Nash, & Undertaker... (Flair still can go but he looks WAY older than he is)... Truth is, he doesn't look his age, & given his chosen wrestling style (which isn't really WWE's by the way) he could still actually wrestle a full WWE schedule... so I am actively campaigning...VINCE MCMAHON! Give Lawler the WWE title, even if its for a couple weeks... He is easily one of the top 50 of all time & deserves a top World title...

He's still able to go bc his style has always been boring as hell, imo. The way he and Billy Dundee and all those guys do there thing can be done for years and years and years. Scott Steiner can't spring up and hit a Frankensteiner at this point in his career (however, I gotta call you on the Taker thing; the guy's almost seven feet tall and he can STILL hit dives to the outside!), but he can still put on a better match than Lawler (I don't see what makes you think Flair and Lawler can go more than BPP; to wrestle the way they do, they aren't required to be young or in great shape but I still think Steiner can go harder with his power game than they can with punches and low blows). One can always hit a piledriver; his style was never anything impressive. I'm sure he can still go just as good as he's always been able to, but imo he's never been very good or ANY fun to watch unless he's on commentary.

Big Red Machine wrote:

kiel297 wrote:I wanna see King win it and then have Miz win it back the next night on RAW by invoking his rematch clause. King then gets told that since he is not hired as a wrestler, his contract contains no clauses that relate to in ring performance, including a rematch clause. We then have Cole making fun of King about it over the next couple weeks, King goes to hit him, gets reminded that if he does, he'll be fired, but anon RAW GM pipes up saying that this wont be the case if King hits him within the legal confines of a wrestling match, and sets up Cole vs Lawler at Mania.

Positives of this angle:
*King gets a WWE title run to his name
*Miz still goes to Mania as champ
*King gets to pound Michael Cole on the grandest stage of them all.

Negatives of this angle:
Feel free to think of some.

This is a good angle. The only negative I can think of would be that Cole vs. Lawler becomes a match at Mania. It is the sort of thing that I would much rather see as a moment in another match (like Trish getting her hands on Steph during the Vince vs. Shane Streetfight).

Well with this you just have King vs Riley 1 on 1 at WM. During the match Riley takes a bump and with the ref somehow distracted or bumped. Cole comes in to attack Lawler, but Lawler catches him and lays the smackdown on Cole. With Lawler distracted Riley has time to get up and the match continues (I'd hope to a Riley-win finish).

How about that?

badnewzxl wrote:He's still able to go bc his style has always been boring as hell, imo. The way he and Billy Dundee and all those guys do there thing can be done for years and years and years. Scott Steiner can't spring up and hit a Frankensteiner at this point in his career (however, I gotta call you on the Taker thing; the guy's almost seven feet tall and he can STILL hit dives to the outside!), but he can still put on a better match than Lawler (I don't see what makes you think Flair and Lawler can go more than BPP; to wrestle the way they do, they aren't required to be young or in great shape but I still think Steiner can go harder with his power game than they can with punches and low blows). One can always hit a piledriver; his style was never anything impressive. I'm sure he can still go just as good as he's always been able to, but imo he's never been very good or ANY fun to watch unless he's on commentary.

Boring as he**??? Have you watched Memphis style matches in World Class or USWA? And not the 5 minute versions that WWE has done? (Hardcore isn't good either in 5 minute increments)

I agree that Taker can still go, but he wrestles a handful of matches & then takes a long hiatus... You could argue the same for Lawler except he still wrestles independently... so no, I couldn't argue that Taker can go better than Lawler...sorry. And Steiner is barely able to walk right now which puts him in the Hogan league if you ask me...

Lynas wrote:Well with this you just have King vs Riley 1 on 1 at WM. During the match Riley takes a bump and with the ref somehow distracted or bumped. Cole comes in to attack Lawler, but Lawler catches him and lays the smackdown on Cole. With Lawler distracted Riley has time to get up and the match continues (I'd hope to a Riley-win finish).

How about that?

Ask yourself, do you really want to see this?

ECWFlairfan wrote:
I agree that Taker can still go, but he wrestles a handful of matches & then takes a long hiatus... You could argue the same for Lawler except he still wrestles independently... so no, I couldn't argue that Taker can go better than Lawler...sorry. And Steiner is barely able to walk right now which puts him in the Hogan league if you ask me...

Since when is Steiner barely able to walk?

yourcrapsweak wrote:

Lynas wrote:Well with this you just have King vs Riley 1 on 1 at WM. During the match Riley takes a bump and with the ref somehow distracted or bumped. Cole comes in to attack Lawler, but Lawler catches him and lays the smackdown on Cole. With Lawler distracted Riley has time to get up and the match continues (I'd hope to a Riley-win finish).

How about that?

Ask yourself, do you really want to see this?

This.
Besides, you're once again ignoring that Lawler will be fired for hitting Cole, since Cole isn't a participant in the match.
A match is the ONLY way Lawler could get his hands on Cole, and I can see it building up to that at the moment.

Big Red Machine wrote:

ECWFlairfan wrote:
I agree that Taker can still go, but he wrestles a handful of matches & then takes a long hiatus... You could argue the same for Lawler except he still wrestles independently... so no, I couldn't argue that Taker can go better than Lawler...sorry. And Steiner is barely able to walk right now which puts him in the Hogan league if you ask me...

Since when is Steiner barely able to walk?

Reports have been that he has trouble moving the morning after a match nowadays...

ECWFlairfan wrote: Never really known for his wrestling? There's not enough space on here to list the greats that he has wrestled (I'd add defeated but we all know thats predetermined)... Anyone forget he originally was signed by WWF to wrestle? He certainly wasn't carried by Bret Hart to the classics they had... Thing is, he is old... not arguing that. But he is still able to go...WAY more than Hogan, Steiner, Nash, & Undertaker... (Flair still can go but he looks WAY older than he is)... Truth is, he doesn't look his age, & given his chosen wrestling style (which isn't really WWE's by the way) he could still actually wrestle a full WWE schedule... so I am actively campaigning...VINCE MCMAHON! Give Lawler the WWE title, even if its for a couple weeks... He is easily one of the top 50 of all time & deserves a top World title...

The style that involves punching people all the time is not at all intriguing to me. And just because he wrestled the greats, doesn't mean he is one himself. Yes, he was signed by the WWE to wrestle, but look at how long that lasted, at the most, a half of a year. After that, he either tried to introduce others into the WWE, or wrestled superstars that were coming back to the WWE. Even the WWE knew that he was not good enough to great matches with Bret Hart (by the way, I've seen the matches he had on WWE, the best one I can think of was when he beat Owen Hart with the piledriver, and that match was 5/10 at best). Does he deserve to have the WWE title? No. Does he deserve to beat The Miz? Yes.

Catus Jack Manson wrote:The style that involves punching people all the time is not at all intriguing to me. And just because he wrestled the greats, doesn't mean he is one himself. Yes, he was signed by the WWE to wrestle, but look at how long that lasted, at the most, a half of a year. After that, he either tried to introduce others into the WWE, or wrestled superstars that were coming back to the WWE. Even the WWE knew that he was not good enough to great matches with Bret Hart (by the way, I've seen the matches he had on WWE, the best one I can think of was when he beat Owen Hart with the piledriver, and that match was 5/10 at best). Does he deserve to have the WWE title? No. Does he deserve to beat The Miz? Yes.

Have you seen Lawler wrestle outside of WWE? His career spans over 30 years in WWE, AWA, USWA, CWA & World Class primarily... He won the AWA World title from Curt Hennig, one of the top technical wrestlers of all time... the type of wrestler Verne likes & prefers to hold his title. So he must have had something of Verne wouldn't have allowed it.

ECWFlairfan wrote: Have you seen Lawler wrestle outside of WWE? His career spans over 30 years in WWE, AWA, USWA, CWA & World Class primarily... He won the AWA World title from Curt Hennig, one of the top technical wrestlers of all time... the type of wrestler Verne likes & prefers to hold his title. So he must have had something of Verne wouldn't have allowed it.

Yes I have, and Verne didn't give Jerry Lawler the title because he thought he was a good wrestler. Verne gave Lawler the title because he wanted to get more fans, and he thought giving the title to Lawler would bring the Tennesee fan base to the AWA. Plus Curt was leaving to go the WWE. And that match was not a technical marvel, it ended with a bunch of punches by Hennig and Lalwer getting lucky with a slingshot to the steel post.

Catus Jack Manson wrote:

ECWFlairfan wrote: Have you seen Lawler wrestle outside of WWE? His career spans over 30 years in WWE, AWA, USWA, CWA & World Class primarily... He won the AWA World title from Curt Hennig, one of the top technical wrestlers of all time... the type of wrestler Verne likes & prefers to hold his title. So he must have had something of Verne wouldn't have allowed it.

Yes I have, and Verne didn't give Jerry Lawler the title because he thought he was a good wrestler. Verne gave Lawler the title because he wanted to get more fans, and he thought giving the title to Lawler would bring the Tennesee fan base to the AWA. Plus Curt was leaving to go the WWE. And that match was not a technical marvel, it ended with a bunch of punches by Hennig and Lalwer getting lucky with a slingshot to the steel post.

I've seen his so-called infamous cage match with Randy Savage: it was one of the worst Savage matches I ever saw. If there are any other "great" Lawler matches, someone please tell me what they are bc the only one I've ever liked was the ones with Bret Hart.