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TNA Star Taking Lucha Libre Classes, Backstage Note on James Storm's Status, Reason for One Night Only PPV

Post by XIV » Jan 10th, '16, 16:22

Source: LOP Marc Middleton

- For those wondering why TNA held the "One Night Only: Live!" pay-per-view last night with barely any build, they had to because of international TV contracts that require them to produce monthly three-hour specials. Instead of doing live monthly pay-per-views, which lost money because of costs associated with going live, they started doing the pre-taped One Night Only specials instead. Several were taped this week.

- As noted, James Storm is back in TNA full time now. The deal he signed is reportedly for 2 years.

- DJ Zema Ion recently noted in an interview with KDKA in Pittsburgh that he's been going to Lucha Libre classes twice a week. Ion said he's looking to become more of a major player but did say this could be his last year with TNA as his contract expires in July.
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XIV wrote:- For those wondering why TNA held the "One Night Only: Live!" pay-per-view last night with barely any build, they had to because of international TV contracts that require them to produce monthly three-hour specials.
This does not excuse them. This makes them look more idiotic! It's in their contract! So they absolutely knew they had to produce a three hour special at some point and in fact COULD have built towards it.
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Post by Big Red Machine » Jan 10th, '16, 16:27

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XIV wrote:- For those wondering why TNA held the "One Night Only: Live!" pay-per-view last night with barely any build, they had to because of international TV contracts that require them to produce monthly three-hour specials.
This does not excuse them. This makes them look more idiotic! It's in their contract! So they absolutely knew they had to produce a three hour special at some point and in fact COULD have built towards it.
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Nic/Phreak wrote:Everyone Expects Show Much Of TNA... Treat Them Like The Loser They Are And Just Expect Them To Have A Wrestling Ring
yes, a thousand times yes. people cut WWE a bunch of slack for things that if TNA did them, they be eaten alive
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Nic/Phreak wrote:Everyone Expects Show Much Of TNA... Treat Them Like The Loser They Are And Just Expect Them To Have A Wrestling Ring
yes, a thousand times yes. people cut WWE a bunch of slack for things that if TNA did them, they be eaten alive
And do you remember in 2007-2010 when it was the other way around?

But in this case, I really can't think of a time where WWE has done such a thing, and that's because WWE would NEVER allow themselves to be put in such a sh*tty position. WWE has shown that they will eventually learn from their mistakes. There WILL be a time in the next five or years where Cesaro and Ambrose get to be world champion. TNA... not so much.

TNA also seems to have no awareness of the position they are in. They NEED to start delivering or else they're even more f*cked than they are already. This PPV didn't come anywhere close to doing that, and Tuesday's show did a terrible job of hyping it up so they're not even going to make money off of this sh*tfest. In fact, I'm certain they will actually LOSE money on it.
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Post by cero2k » Jan 11th, '16, 10:12

Big Red Machine wrote: And do you remember in 2007-2010 when it was the other way around?
that's ok, no one should cut slack on WWE ever since they bought WCW, no one should ever cut slack on the big dog, especially a multi million dollar big dog.

But in this case, I really can't think of a time where WWE has done such a thing, and that's because WWE would NEVER allow themselves to be put in such a sh*tty position. WWE has shown that they will eventually learn from their mistakes. There WILL be a time in the next five or years where Cesaro and Ambrose get to be world champion. TNA... not so much.
Ambrose, yes, Cesaro, doubt it. they do damage control, but they don't learn. Did they learn from what a guy like Bryan and Punk can achieve in WWE? no, we're still in the same position as we were in 2005 as we start a new 'shove it down your throats push' for reigns with the slightest hopes that it works the same as it did with Cena

TNA also seems to have no awareness of the position they are in. They NEED to start delivering or else they're even more f*cked than they are already. This PPV didn't come anywhere close to doing that, and Tuesday's show did a terrible job of hyping it up so they're not even going to make money off of this sh*tfest. In fact, I'm certain they will actually LOSE money on it.
I'm sure they know they're not in a good position, as delusional as Dixie may be, I'm sure she knows they're not as strong as they used to be.
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cero2k wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote: And do you remember in 2007-2010 when it was the other way around?
that's ok, no one should cut slack on WWE ever since they bought WCW, no one should ever cut slack on the big dog, especially a multi million dollar big dog.
No one should cut slack on anyone for booking or presentation of the wrestlers. When something sucks and it is something that is controllable (and this certainly was), they should be called out on it.
But in this case, I really can't think of a time where WWE has done such a thing, and that's because WWE would NEVER allow themselves to be put in such a sh*tty position. WWE has shown that they will eventually learn from their mistakes. There WILL be a time in the next five or years where Cesaro and Ambrose get to be world champion. TNA... not so much.
Ambrose, yes, Cesaro, doubt it. they do damage control, but they don't learn. Did they learn from what a guy like Bryan and Punk can achieve in WWE? no, we're still in the same position as we were in 2005 as we start a new 'shove it down your throats push' for reigns with the slightest hopes that it works the same as it did with Cena
I didn't think that either Cena or especially Batista were "shove it down your throat" pushes in 2005 or even into mid 2006. The problems came later on when WWE protected them way too much, and was compounded in 2007-2010 when it was clear that they weren't going to let the next group of guys- the CM Punks and JoMos and Kofi Kingstons and Ken Andersons- have a shot.

TNA also seems to have no awareness of the position they are in. They NEED to start delivering or else they're even more f*cked than they are already. This PPV didn't come anywhere close to doing that, and Tuesday's show did a terrible job of hyping it up so they're not even going to make money off of this sh*tfest. In fact, I'm certain they will actually LOSE money on it.
I'm sure they know they're not in a good position, as delusional as Dixie may be, I'm sure she knows they're not as strong as they used to be.
So why do they do nothing to try to rectify it? Instead they just keep going with the same old sh*t that hasn't worked for years!
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Post by cero2k » Jan 11th, '16, 11:09

Big Red Machine wrote: And do you remember in 2007-2010 when it was the other way around?
that's ok, no one should cut slack on WWE ever since they bought WCW, no one should ever cut slack on the big dog, especially a multi million dollar big dog.
No one should cut slack on anyone for booking or presentation of the wrestlers. When something sucks and it is something that is controllable (and this certainly was), they should be called out on it.
This wasn't exactly controllable, they needed to have a PPV for their other regions and they only had one show to hype it and make sense out of it. They did a show that made sense after tuesday and not spoil the other taped shows at the same time, if they had failed at either of those things, people would be LOLTNA with no remorse. Same if they hadn't build up the matches in the show, but even then, everyone who watched the show knew there would be a PPV on friday. Meltzer was bashing for not having a world title match, if they had, then everyone would be bashing them for having a match that meant nothing because of spoilers.

Contrast that with WWE knowing they were doing KOTR and not promoting it at all.



But in this case, I really can't think of a time where WWE has done such a thing, and that's because WWE would NEVER allow themselves to be put in such a sh*tty position. WWE has shown that they will eventually learn from their mistakes. There WILL be a time in the next five or years where Cesaro and Ambrose get to be world champion. TNA... not so much.
Ambrose, yes, Cesaro, doubt it. they do damage control, but they don't learn. Did they learn from what a guy like Bryan and Punk can achieve in WWE? no, we're still in the same position as we were in 2005 as we start a new 'shove it down your throats push' for reigns with the slightest hopes that it works the same as it did with Cena
I didn't think that either Cena or especially Batista were "shove it down your throat" pushes in 2005 or even into mid 2006. The problems came later on when WWE protected them way too much, and was compounded in 2007-2010 when it was clear that they weren't going to let the next group of guys- the CM Punks and JoMos and Kofi Kingstons and Ken Andersons- have a shot.
so give and take some years, but the idea is the same, Reigns has been shoved down our throats since the end of 2013.

TNA also seems to have no awareness of the position they are in. They NEED to start delivering or else they're even more f*cked than they are already. This PPV didn't come anywhere close to doing that, and Tuesday's show did a terrible job of hyping it up so they're not even going to make money off of this sh*tfest. In fact, I'm certain they will actually LOSE money on it.
I'm sure they know they're not in a good position, as delusional as Dixie may be, I'm sure she knows they're not as strong as they used to be.
So why do they do nothing to try to rectify it? Instead they just keep going with the same old sh*t that hasn't worked for years!
I wish we could ask that question to each and every single promoter in the world, because it's something that everyone seems to fail at
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cero2k wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote: And do you remember in 2007-2010 when it was the other way around?
that's ok, no one should cut slack on WWE ever since they bought WCW, no one should ever cut slack on the big dog, especially a multi million dollar big dog.
No one should cut slack on anyone for booking or presentation of the wrestlers. When something sucks and it is something that is controllable (and this certainly was), they should be called out on it.
This wasn't exactly controllable, they needed to have a PPV for their other regions and they only had one show to hype it and make sense out of it. They did a show that made sense after tuesday and not spoil the other taped shows at the same time, if they had failed at either of those things, people would be LOLTNA with no remorse. Same if they hadn't build up the matches in the show, but even then, everyone who watched the show knew there would be a PPV on friday. Meltzer was bashing for not having a world title match, if they had, then everyone would be bashing them for having a match that meant nothing because of spoilers.

Contrast that with WWE knowing they were doing KOTR and not promoting it at all.


1. They would have had this PPV already taped if they didn't cancel the Gulf Coast shows.
2. Of course this spoiled results from the other tapings. Gail, Uno, and The Wolves all had their belts with them, which means that either they retained the belts on those shows, or that TNA is doing what they did for the Japan BFG show where Joe came out with the belt even though they had already taped Joe vacating the title and Ki winning the vacant belt- in which case spoiling it wouldn't be an issue.
And if you don't like either of those options, they should have taped One Night Onlys on Wednesday and Thursday and then done this one live on Friday so that wouldn't be an issue, and then taped TV on Saturday and Sunday to fill up until the UK Tour shows could be made ready to go.
3. There was more they could have done to build this show up as something people wanted to see (like, at the very least, announce that Bennett would be wrestling or announce the Knockouts Gauntlet or the X-Division Title match)

WWE didn't promote KOTR? They advertised it on their PPV, then the built the entirety of Raw around it. WWE did a better job promoting KOTR than TNA did with this PPV.




TNA also seems to have no awareness of the position they are in. They NEED to start delivering or else they're even more f*cked than they are already. This PPV didn't come anywhere close to doing that, and Tuesday's show did a terrible job of hyping it up so they're not even going to make money off of this sh*tfest. In fact, I'm certain they will actually LOSE money on it.
I'm sure they know they're not in a good position, as delusional as Dixie may be, I'm sure she knows they're not as strong as they used to be.
So why do they do nothing to try to rectify it? Instead they just keep going with the same old sh*t that hasn't worked for years!
I wish we could ask that question to each and every single promoter in the world, because it's something that everyone seems to fail at
Not everyone. Most Japanse promotions ROH and EVOLVE and PWG and CZW and AIW and AAW and even SHIMMER/SHINE and CHIKARA and many other smaller companies seem to have a decent idea of where they are and what their problems are (maybe ROH and New Japan not so much for some booking issues), but WWE and TNA both seem to be having trouble with these things. WWE doesn't seem to realize that they are failing, while TNA doesn't seem to be able to figure out WHY they are failing. WWE's issue is just blindness. TNA's is a stubborn, pig-headed stupidity that just seems endless. You'd think that after so many years of trying the same thing and failing that they would realize what the problem is, but they are either too stubborn to admit the obvious, or too stupid to figure it out.
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Post by KILLdozer » Jan 11th, '16, 14:44

Surely I can't be the only one who's had the idea come to them, regarding the reasoning behind "Why WWE won't change" ?

Conglomerate titan. The biggest ever and pretty much always have been ( This is me mentioning the WCW MNW's so you don't have to-doesn't seem like that counts though because they literally took them out in the end.) No one can fuckin' touch ya' then you're not gonna change because even though your ways could be flawed-it doesn't matter because you're still top of the line.

I don't mean to rant (well I do-but I don't mean to a seem a little frustrated), but there's really not much to say about a supposed "grey area".
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KILLdozer wrote:Surely I can't be the only one who's had the idea come to them, regarding the reasoning behind "Why WWE won't change" ?

Conglomerate titan. The biggest ever and pretty much always have been ( This is me mentioning the WCW MNW's so you don't have to-doesn't seem like that counts though because they literally took them out in the end.) No one can fuckin' touch ya' then you're not gonna change because even though your ways could be flawed-it doesn't matter because you're still top of the line.

I don't mean to rant (well I do-but I don't mean to a seem a little frustrated), but there's really not much to say about a supposed "grey area".
I think you're right, but up to a point. It's not them being the biggest that matters: It's USA being happy with their ratings that matters. If the ratings start to fall too low, their going to start trying to change stuff up.
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They'd still just be able to most likely buy another spot with another network so it really wouldn't matter.
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KILLdozer wrote:They'd still just be able to most likely buy another spot with another network so it really wouldn't matter.
But so much of their money comes from TV rights that it would be a big blow, and something they'd do their best to avoid.
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Big Red Machine wrote:
KILLdozer wrote:They'd still just be able to most likely buy another spot with another network so it really wouldn't matter.
But so much of their money comes from TV rights that it would be a big blow, and something they'd do their best to avoid.
Something tells me it still wouldn't matter. You're dreaming if you think WWE doesn't constantly, at all times-(I'm talking never at a point where it would be impossible), have the money for another spot on a different station.
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KILLdozer wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote:
KILLdozer wrote:They'd still just be able to most likely buy another spot with another network so it really wouldn't matter.
But so much of their money comes from TV rights that it would be a big blow, and something they'd do their best to avoid.
Something tells me it still wouldn't matter. You're dreaming if you think WWE doesn't constantly, at all times-(I'm talking never at a point where it would be impossible), have the money for another spot on a different station.
But they'd rather get money for putting on the show than have to pay other people in addition to the cost of the show.
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Wwe is behind tna. Lol
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Nic/Phreak wrote:Wwe is behind tna. Lol
Would explain it ALL ! Lol

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