Vince Russo On How He Would Book Kevin Owens As A Top Guy

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Vince Russo On How He Would Book Kevin Owens As A Top Guy

Post by cero2k » Dec 22nd, '15, 12:35

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By now you've likely heard about the ongoing beef between former WWE writer Vince Russo and former NXT and Intercontinental Champion Kevin Owens. The two have taken shots at each other, but on the most recent episode of Nuclear Heat, Vince Russo explained his issue with Kevin Owens' character.

Russo broke down the differences between Kevin Owens and other overweight wrestlers such as Mick Foley, Bray Wyatt, Yokozuna and others. In this supersized (no pun intended) edition of Nuclear Heat, Russo also explains how he'd book the former Ring of Honor Champion Owens to set him apart from the pack.

"When we first see Kevin Owens, who is he? A sumo wrestler, a freak. The last 24 hours on Twitter, Kevin Owens' fans have said he's a bad ass, a bully and a prize fighter. So right there we have a problem. His own fans are giving us three different descriptions of who this man is. Bad Ass-- two weeks ago I watched as Kevin Owens stood in the middle of the ring, got a Coke and popcorn and thrown in his face. Dean Ambrose walked away and there were no ramifications. That's not a bad ass. Take that off the list. My understanding of a bully is, is someone that picks on someone not his own size, people he could take advantage of. Kevin Owens out the chute went after John Cena. We can take that off the list. What on Earth has Kevin Owens done in his character that is a prizefighter? If that's a joke that it's an overweight guys who calls him a prizefighter, that's one thing, but that's not what they're doing here," Russo said.

Russo explained that there were too many questions and not enough answers about Kevin Owens as a television character right now for him to get behind. Russo thinks that this is hurting Kevin Owens from improving his position within the WWE.

"When you have all these questions and there are no answers, and Owens doesn't have a clear cut character, being overweight is going to hurt him. If you don't understand his character or no where he's coming from, it's going to hurt him," said Russo.

Russo called back to Owens' original character in NXT, where Owens had a giant chip on his shoulder for not being called up sooner. This helped establish Owens as a driven individual who put himself ahead of everything else.

"He cut a promo in NXT about the 15 years in the indies. I've not heard that story repeated since he came back in the WWE. If he repeats that story, what that tells me about Kevin Owens is that (he's) not going back. 15 years of the indies, driving town to town for five hours, no money, sleeping in my car, ain't going back, no matter what. If that means killing everyone in front of me, I'll do it. That's never been said," Russo said.

Russo went on to say that Kevin Owens had the best punch in the wrestling business, and said he could buy Kevin Owens as a Dick Murdoch-type character that has a violent streak. Russo also said that Owens body type doesn't hurt that form of roughhouse fighter, and it makes for a believable character.
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Re: Vince Russo On How He Would Book Kevin Owens As A Top Guy

Post by Big Red Machine » Dec 22nd, '15, 13:18

cero2k wrote:Source: http://wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2015/12 ... character/
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By now you've likely heard about the ongoing beef between former WWE writer Vince Russo and former NXT and Intercontinental Champion Kevin Owens. The two have taken shots at each other, but on the most recent episode of Nuclear Heat, Vince Russo explained his issue with Kevin Owens' character.

Russo broke down the differences between Kevin Owens and other overweight wrestlers such as Mick Foley, Bray Wyatt, Yokozuna and others. In this supersized (no pun intended) edition of Nuclear Heat, Russo also explains how he'd book the former Ring of Honor Champion Owens to set him apart from the pack.

"When we first see Kevin Owens, who is he? A sumo wrestler, a freak. The last 24 hours on Twitter, Kevin Owens' fans have said he's a bad ass, a bully and a prize fighter. So right there we have a problem. His own fans are giving us three different descriptions of who this man is. Bad Ass-- two weeks ago I watched as Kevin Owens stood in the middle of the ring, got a Coke and popcorn and thrown in his face. Dean Ambrose walked away and there were no ramifications. That's not a bad ass. Take that off the list. My understanding of a bully is, is someone that picks on someone not his own size, people he could take advantage of. Kevin Owens out the chute went after John Cena. We can take that off the list. What on Earth has Kevin Owens done in his character that is a prizefighter? If that's a joke that it's an overweight guys who calls him a prizefighter, that's one thing, but that's not what they're doing here," Russo said.

Russo explained that there were too many questions and not enough answers about Kevin Owens as a television character right now for him to get behind. Russo thinks that this is hurting Kevin Owens from improving his position within the WWE.

"When you have all these questions and there are no answers, and Owens doesn't have a clear cut character, being overweight is going to hurt him. If you don't understand his character or no where he's coming from, it's going to hurt him," said Russo.
There are no "questions" about what Owens is here! Being a badass, a prizefighter and a bully are not mutually exclusive! Furthermore, you would think that a booker would be able to recognize that Ambrose throwing popcorn on him was just an aberration of a bad segment where Owens wasn't booked to act how someone of his character would act.

Oh wait. This is Vince Russo we're talking about. If Vince Russo understood how not to kill characters by having them act out of character, or the fact that fans are supposed to remember things that have happened before (like all of the million times Owens WAS a badass), then WCW would still be in business- or at the very least, TNA wouldn't be in the sh*tter.

Just the idea that anyone would look at Owens after about three seconds and possibly think that his gimmick might be that he is sumo wrestler is f*cking ridiculous, and once again speaks to Russo's limited mindset when it comes to understanding wrestling fans. If he was wearing sumo gear, then yes, we would think this fat guy is supposed to be a sumo wrestler. But the is wearing a t-shirt and basketball shorts and starts throwing punches and powerbombing people, it becomes pretty obvious what he is.
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Re: Vince Russo On How He Would Book Kevin Owens As A Top Guy

Post by cero2k » Dec 22nd, '15, 13:42

Just listened to the whole thing. They are valid points, but I don't think they're all necessarily good points. He chooses his examples quite precisely. On several occasions he is comparing guys like Cena, Austin, Rhodes, and Rock, YEARS later after struggling with getting over.

He hides a lot behind the idea that the 'casual fan doesn't care about it' when talking about his workrate, his indie career, his gimmick, or that him doing somesaults doesn't work because of his body shape. So are we assuming that there is only one mold for high flyers and brawlers? Are fans really baffled as to why a fat guy is not wrestling like a fat man? are we assuming that every fan always has a 'first impression' every day? I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but it's not smart booking assuming that you're always getting new fans or fully booking for casual fans, you need to book smart stories and characters that entertain casuals and gratify followers. He has a really outdated perspective on this topic, and i'm not defending WWE creative or commentary, because they're obviously failing on this too, but his approach is so short-sided.

Yeah, Popcorn and Soda was bad, and i think even creative should have the sight to realize that, but one single segment, in a promotion that does not reward remembering things, shouldn't hurt the whole gimmick for a wrestler.
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Post by badnewzxl » Dec 22nd, '15, 17:49

cero2k wrote:Just listened to the whole thing. They are valid points, but I don't think they're all necessarily good points. He chooses his examples quite precisely. On several occasions he is comparing guys like Cena, Austin, Rhodes, and Rock, YEARS later after struggling with getting over.

He hides a lot behind the idea that the 'casual fan doesn't care about it' when talking about his workrate, his indie career, his gimmick, or that him doing somesaults doesn't work because of his body shape. So are we assuming that there is only one mold for high flyers and brawlers? Are fans really baffled as to why a fat guy is not wrestling like a fat man? are we assuming that every fan always has a 'first impression' every day? I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but it's not smart booking assuming that you're always getting new fans or fully booking for casual fans, you need to book smart stories and characters that entertain casuals and gratify followers. He has a really outdated perspective on this topic, and i'm not defending WWE creative or commentary, because they're obviously failing on this too, but his approach is so short-sided.

Yeah, Popcorn and Soda was bad, and i think even creative should have the sight to realize that, but one single segment, in a promotion that does not reward remembering things, shouldn't hurt the whole gimmick for a wrestler.
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Re: Vince Russo On How He Would Book Kevin Owens As A Top Guy

Post by Bulletclubfan2014 » Dec 23rd, '15, 12:03

And BTW in Russo's argument of a Bully I believe he was still booking for TNA when Bubba Ray became Bully Ray and if I remember correctly Bully Ray's first feud as Bully Ray involved him asking to add 2 more people to his No DQ match with Devon so he could get revenge on them for helping Devon win a match over him on TV
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Re: Vince Russo On How He Would Book Kevin Owens As A Top Guy

Post by Big Red Machine » Dec 23rd, '15, 12:09

Bulletclubfan2014 wrote:And BTW in Russo's argument of a Bully I believe he was still booking for TNA when Bubba Ray became Bully Ray and if I remember correctly Bully Ray's first feud as Bully Ray involved him asking to add 2 more people to his No DQ match with Devon so he could get revenge on them for helping Devon win a match over him on TV
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Re: Vince Russo On How He Would Book Kevin Owens As A Top Guy

Post by XIV » Dec 24th, '15, 02:24

Fight Owen(Steen) Fight.

Simple statement that says this.

Kevin Owens isn't going to out wrestle you. He's going to fight you... And whilst he's fighting you he's going to be a dick about it and the more fights he wins, the cockier he'll get.

That is Kevin Owens character.
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Re: Vince Russo On How He Would Book Kevin Owens As A Top Guy

Post by NWK2000 » Jan 14th, '16, 10:07

What I'm reading here is "Book one-dimensional characters"
I do agree that WWE booking isn't coagulating with what the fans are saying about Owens.

Also, putting Yoko in the same category as Bray Wyatt is horribly wrong.
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