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The GBH XIII Main Event Has Been Set

Post by Big Red Machine » Oct 14th, '14, 14:05

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ROH World Championship - Jay Briscoe vs ACH
It's time for ROH to return to Texas! Each and every time we are there, the fans in San Antonio are some of the most supportive and enthusiastic on the planet! So we don't want to keep you waiting any longer. Today, we have some new information on ROH stars sighed to appear on November 15th and a HUGE match announcement for GLORY BY HONOR!

ROH WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP: JAY BRISCOE VS ACH

At CHAMPIONS VS ALL STARS in Kalamazoo, ACH outlasted nearly every other ROH athlete in the match. He pinned TWO champions in the match – TV Champion Jay Lethal and Tag Champion Bobby Fish. He made it to the final two, finally falling to ROH World Champion Jay Briscoe. But his amazing performance in this eight man elimination earned ACH a title shot. A WORLD Title Shot!

San Antonio is a special place for ACH. He got his professional wrestling start right there in Texas, building his name and reputation before finally stepping onto the bigger stage in Ring of Honor. And once he was in ROH, he had what most still point to as the “breakout match” of his Ring of Honor career right in San Antonio, when he and Jay Lethal tore the house down in front of hundreds of cheering fans.

Moreover, ACH is scheduled for to compete for the ROH World TV Title in Lakeland, FL on October 25th. That match will still happen, and he could snag his very first ROH gold! This means that there’s a possibility that ACH could head into Final Battle as a DOUBLE CHAMPION.

ACH has always said he’s fueled by motivation and fueled by the fans who support him night after night. And there’s no place more enthusiastic about ACH than Texas! By most accounts, Jay Briscoe would have the advantage rolling into November 15th. But while Briscoe has the champion’s size and experience edge, you can never discount the power of a psychological advantage. Every fan in that arena will be on their feet pushing ACH to win. Could that be enough to shake Jay Briscoe for the few seconds ACH needs to capitalize?

In addition to this heated World Title match, November 15th will be a full night packed with ROH action! ROHwrestling.com will have all the latest match updates as they are decided! For tickets to ROH in San Antonio on November 15th for GLORY BY HONOR, click HERE!

- SIGNED TO APPEAR...
- ROH WORLD TV CHAMPION: JAY LETHAL w/ TRUTH MARTINI
- ROH WORLD TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS: reDRagon (KYLE O'REILLY & BOBBY FISH)
- ADAM COLE
- RODERICK STRONG
- MICHAEL BENNETT W/ MARIA KANELLIS
- MARK BRISCOE
- BJ WHITMER
- HANSON
- THE ROMANTIC TOUCH
- MOOSE & RD EVANS

GLORY BY HONOR XIII

November 15th, 2014
San Antonio Shrine Auditorium
901 North Loop 1604 West
San Antonio TX, 78232
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Re: The GBH XIII Main Event Has Been Set

Post by Big Red Machine » Oct 14th, '14, 14:30

Um... WHAT THE F*CK?!

So ACH pins two champions... INCLUDING A SINGLES CHAMPION WHO HE IS FEUDING WITH... and instead gets a shot at a totally different title... against the guy WHO JUST BEAT HIM IN THAT VERY MATCH?!
You want to give ACH a title match in his hometown? Do ACH & Roddy vs. reDRagon, which actually BUILDS FROM the Champions vs. All-Stars match. You don't NEED to do this match AT ALL, and doing it this way MAKES NO SENSE! SO WHY THE F*CK ARE YOU DOING IT?!

Do they think they're going to draw a lot of people with a throw-away title match for a local guy? ACH is great and all, and maybe, with proper promotion and a good angle, he could draw big with a world title shot in his home state, but even if this was all true in this case (and it certainly isn't), the building they're booked for can't hold that many people! It seats 1,000 seated, but that is WITHOUT the set and THE BIG WRESTLING RING IN THE MIDDLE. I doubt they'd be able to fit more than 750 people. Give ACH something good like a tag title match and give the clearly throw-away title shot (it's the last show BEFORE Final Battle for crying out loud! We all know they won't change the title) to someone who we know won't win the belt and has nothing else to do, but could be elevated by having some momentum behind him. Hanson, for example (which would also help them keep the War Machine vs. Briscoes feud alive- especially if you have the injured Raymond Rowe show up at ringside to give his tag partner moral support, which would work because I'm pretty sure Rowe is a Texas guy).


GGGRRRRRR! They booked the Champions vs. All-Stars match so well! Why would they screw it up like this?!
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Re: The GBH XIII Main Event Has Been Set

Post by cero2k » Oct 14th, '14, 15:06

pretty underwhelming for a 'Glory By Honor' main event. I hate it when ROH throws out title matches where it's 99% sure that the title won't change hands + no build up at all.
which would work because I'm pretty sure Rowe is a Texas guy
nah, he's from up north, Pittsburgh i think. that's where i first heard of him, around those indies.
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Re: The GBH XIII Main Event Has Been Set

Post by Big Red Machine » Oct 14th, '14, 15:36

cero2k wrote:pretty underwhelming for a 'Glory By Honor' main event. I hate it when ROH throws out title matches where it's 99% sure that the title won't change hands + no build up at all.
which would work because I'm pretty sure Rowe is a Texas guy
nah, he's from up north, Pittsburgh i think. that's where i first heard of him, around those indies.

I think the bigger issue here is the waste of the name. All-Star Extravaganza VI should have been Glory By Honor XIII. It was a HUGE show on iPPV in one of ROH's biggest markets, and it was at the right time of year. Th All-Star Extravaganza shows have always some big name bring-ins, whether it was Japanese guys or bigger indy names who usually don't work for ROH. The first one had Masato Tanaka, Shinjiro Othani, and the in-ring debut of CM Punk. The second one had Cornette and Heenan on it (plus the Joe vs. Punk blow-off). The third one had a bunch of guys from Dragon Gate, a live appearance by Bruno Sammartino, and the big surprise return of Shelley and Sabin. The fourth one had a sh*t ton of NOAH guys, Kensuke Sasaki, & Katsuhiko Nakajima. The fifth one had some New Japan guys, and also had bigger indy names like London, Kendrick, and Sonjay, and also the Young Bucks in what turned into their first step back to being semi-regulars.
The closest thing to outside talent that All-Star Extravaganza VI had was the Young Bucks, who have bee semi-regulars for a year now. It was a waste of a name, and it resulted in them needing to do a Glory By Honor show, so they just tacked the name onto the only show they had left un-named, which was a show in a minor market in a building that can't hold that many people.


The impression I got of Rowe from the commentary is that he is a Texas guy. He first show was in Texas, and they pushed all of the southeast shows like the Road to Greatness shows and the Nashville TV taping like they were home-region shows for him. Maybe they worked me. If so, good for them.
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Re: The GBH XIII Main Event Has Been Set

Post by cero2k » Oct 14th, '14, 15:55

Big Red Machine wrote:
I think the bigger issue here is the waste of the name.
you have no idea how much i hate this from ROH. When i first got into ROH, you knew that their big shows were DBD, GBY, Final Battle, and those shows are some with the most history, but now i feel like at least DBD and GBH have taken a back seat to shows like Border Wars and BITW. GBH has felt almost as a filler show for the last years imo
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Re: The GBH XIII Main Event Has Been Set

Post by Big Red Machine » Oct 14th, '14, 19:25

cero2k wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote:
I think the bigger issue here is the waste of the name.
you have no idea how much i hate this from ROH. When i first got into ROH, you knew that their big shows were DBD, GBY, Final Battle, and those shows are some with the most history, but now i feel like at least DBD and GBH have taken a back seat to shows like Border Wars and BITW. GBH has felt almost as a filler show for the last years imo
I didn't think GBH was wasted per se last year, though I do remember thinking that the card for The Golden Dream felt a lot more like a Glory By Honor card than GBH itself did. The only year I ever thought it was wasted was 2011, and even that had a big tag title match (ANX vs. WGTT in ANX's reward for winning the ladder war), a Steen return, and both Bucks vs. Briscoes and Davey vs. Generico for the world title, which are both always guaranteed to deliver.

I see what you are saying about the "new" PPVs eclipsing the old big shows, but I don't really agree with that. The only one I don't like is Border Wars, and that is more because 1) I hate the name, and 2) IMO the timing is poor. Who needs a PPV in May when you have a HUGE PPV in April and a HUGE PPV in June?

IMO, they should have 6 PPVs a year:
The Anniversary Show in February or early March.
Supercard of Honor as the Friday night Wrestlemania weekend show, which will be early April (or late March at the earliest)
Best in the World in June (it's a good name for ROH)
Death Before Dishonor in July or August
Glory By Honor in September or October
Final Battle in December.

I'd also have some other shows you do every year at variable times, depending on when the booking calls for it. Survival of the Fittest would be one of these. Defy or Deny and Champions vs. All-Stars would be other shows in this category, although with these I would be careful to make sure to only do it them when the booking calls for it, rather than trying to force it in like they did with Defy or Deny this year.

My main gripe with the names has really been how lame and generic they have all been. It's always something generic about how great the wrestling is Wrestling's Finest, State of the Ar, Raising The Bar weekend), something generic having to do with the city where the show is taking place (Charm City Challenge, Honor in the Heart of Texas, Brew City Beatdown), completely generic names like Live and Let Die, Relentless, or the Pursuit Weekend shows, or the ABSOLUTE WORST: anything with "Road to" or "tour" in the title. Names like that make the show seem completely unimportant. Look at Road to Best in the World: Night 2: reDRagon vs. the Briscoes for the tag titles, Adam Cole vs. Tommaso Ciampa for the world title, and Elgin facing Cole's stablemate Michael Bennett in a No DQ's match right before Elgin's big shot at Cole's title at Best in the World. That's a great line-up... and that is without even looking at the undercard. That will sell DVDs. But if you give it a name that implies that it is a show that solely exists to build up Best in the World, then no one is going to buy it because they could just buy Best in the World instead. Why would you buy the the DVD of the go-home Raw instead of the DVD of the PPV?

I also hate the way that the names have gotten a lot less personal. Summer Heat Tour: Cincinnati is not an exciting name, and it becomes even dumber when you realize that it was the only DVD taping on the three-show "Summer Heat Tour." You want to know what this show should have been called? "Thanks, Steen, Thanks!" Punk got Punk: The Final Chapter, Gibson got Unforgettable, Joe got the Samoa Joe Farewell Tour (which happened to completely coincide with the Fifth Year Festival), Cabana got Good Times, Great Memories, Dragon got the Final Countdown Tour shows. Tyler got Fade to Black. Steen deserved something like that. They could have given it to him, but they didn't. It feels less personal. More robotic and corporate.

I also don't like the fact that every show is named in advance. This is a large part of what has led to the generic names, which just don't feel as... artistic as they could, which makes things feel less special and less indy. The show names used to MEAN something. The Bitter End wasn't just a name. It was the end of the four-year-long feud between Homicide and Corino, the end of Cornette's reign as commissioner, and the end of KENTA's fantastic tour with ROH. Breakout referred to both the fact that Nigel and Hero had a cage match and the fact that Tyler Black had his breakout match. Honor Nation was a tribute to the loyal fans who chose to go to the ROH show instead of watch the Red Sox in a big playoff game. Anarchy in the UK referred to both Doug Williams nickname and the fact that injuries from the night before played havoc with the intended card, so things had to be reshuffled the day of. At Our Best was an awesome show that set ROH's first big attendance record, and Better Than Our Best two years later was an even better show which broke that attendance record. Stalemate was both the double pin finish in the world title match and the fact that Dragon and Homicide's Best of Five series was tied at two.
I understand that a big part of the reason that they do is so they can promote the shows in advance on TV, but what is wrong with just saying "ROH is coming to CityNearYouVille!" If it is a named show, then sure, name it, but not every show needs to be named in advance. The thematic names stand out more in fans' minds. Everyone knows Bitter Friends, Stiffer Enemies is the show where Cide slapped Corino's ear and the show where Ki legitimately knocked Dan Maff out. Everyone knows that Injustice is the one where Nigel had his feet on the ropes, and everyone knows that Testing The Limit is the one where Dragon and Aries went 75 minutes. Everyone knows that Arena Warfare is the one where the CZW guys took over the show, and everyone knows that Sign of Dishonor was the show where Punk used the ROH World Title as a table to sign his WWE contract on.
But with this set-up, we're not going to get names like that again. We'll never get another Epic Encounter or World Title Classic or X vs. Y.
I'm not saying that it's not okay to use generic names. Not every one will be a winner. We'll still get the likes of Motor City Madess and SoCal Showdown, but why resort to that when you don't have to? No one remembers what happened at Chi-Town Struggle, but everyone remembers what happened at Gut Check. No one remembers what happened at Motor City Madness 2007, but everyone knows what the main event of The Hunt For Gold was.
Also not naming every show in advance makes the shows that you do name in advance (like a Manhattan Mayhem or something like The Golden Dream) seem more important.


Okay. Sorry. Rant over.
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Re: The GBH XIII Main Event Has Been Set

Post by cero2k » Oct 14th, '14, 22:05

i....i agree with everything you said.
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Re: The GBH XIII Main Event Has Been Set

Post by Big Red Machine » Nov 6th, '14, 09:13

For those who were worried about GBH not feeling like a big deal, they have announced Roddy vs. Kaz, and a first time ever match-up: ADAM COLE vs. CHRISTOPHER DANIELS.
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