A Few Major Pieces Of News

[Big Red Machine]

First of all, Finlay has signed on to wrestle at ROH Border Wars in Toronto on May 12th. Rhino has also been announced for this show. This is good news.

Then there is the ridiculously LAME news: By pinning ROH World Champion Davey Richards at the 10th Anniversary Show, Adam Cole has earned... a Proving Ground match in Dayton. WTF? As a reward for pinning the champion, he is put into a match where he can earn a title shot by either going to a draw with the champ or beating him... WHICH HE ALREADY DID!

[badnewzxl]

First of all, Finlay has signed on to wrestle at ROH Border Wars in Toronto on May 12th. Rhino has also been announced for this show. This is good news.

Then there is the ridiculously LAME news: By pinning ROH World Champion Davey Richards at the 10th Anniversary Show, Adam Cole has earned... a Proving Ground match in Dayton. WTF? As a reward for pinning the champion, he is put into a match where he can earn a title shot by either going to a draw with the champ or beating him... WHICH HE ALREADY DID!

it was a tag match, tho. If they gave him the shot just for pinning Davey, then there'd be no use for the proving ground matches

[Big Red Machine]

First of all, Finlay has signed on to wrestle at ROH Border Wars in Toronto on May 12th. Rhino has also been announced for this show. This is good news.

Then there is the ridiculously LAME news: By pinning ROH World Champion Davey Richards at the 10th Anniversary Show, Adam Cole has earned... a Proving Ground match in Dayton. WTF? As a reward for pinning the champion, he is put into a match where he can earn a title shot by either going to a draw with the champ or beating him... WHICH HE ALREADY DID!

it was a tag match, tho. If they gave him the shot just for pinning Davey, then there'd be no use for the proving ground matches

1. Pinning the champ in a tag match has been justification for getting a title shot before.

2. The Proving Ground matches are pointless anyway. Kyle O'Reilly and Adam Cole didn't earn their TV Title shots with a Proving Ground match. They earned them the old fashioned way: Winning matches and impressing management. Eddie and Roddy didn't earn the title shots they got last weekend. Neither did Elgin. He beat somebody else, then got lucky that Davey happened to retain the belt the night before.

It has been 5 and a half months since they announced this silly concept, and since then, only Bennett, Roddy, and Jigsaw and Hallowicked, and Ciampa have earned title shots with it. Since that time, Generico, Cole, O'Reilly, Davey & O'Reilly, Jay Lethal, the Young Bucks, Elgin, Roddy, and Eddie (twice) have earned title shots without it (this is ignoring WGTT and Generico's rematch clauses).

[badnewzxl]

First of all, Finlay has signed on to wrestle at ROH Border Wars in Toronto on May 12th. Rhino has also been announced for this show. This is good news.

Then there is the ridiculously LAME news: By pinning ROH World Champion Davey Richards at the 10th Anniversary Show, Adam Cole has earned... a Proving Ground match in Dayton. WTF? As a reward for pinning the champion, he is put into a match where he can earn a title shot by either going to a draw with the champ or beating him... WHICH HE ALREADY DID!

it was a tag match, tho. If they gave him the shot just for pinning Davey, then there'd be no use for the proving ground matches

1. Pinning the champ in a tag match has been justification for getting a title shot before.

2. The Proving Ground matches are pointless anyway. Kyle O'Reilly and Adam Cole didn't earn their TV Title shots with a Proving Ground match. They earned them the old fashioned way: Winning matches and impressing management. Eddie and Roddy didn't earn the title shots they got last weekend. Neither did Elgin. He beat somebody else, then got lucky that Davey happened to retain the belt the night before.

It has been 5 and a half months since they announced this silly concept, and since then, only Bennett, Roddy, and Jigsaw and Hallowicked, and Ciampa have earned title shots with it. Since that time, Generico, Cole, O'Reilly, Davey & O'Reilly, Jay Lethal, the Young Bucks, Elgin, Roddy, and Eddie (twice) have earned title shots without it (this is ignoring WGTT and Generico's rematch clauses).

so you want them to abandon the concept; fair enough.

but until they do, they can always use it as an excuse. esp with a guy like Cole who has NO singles victories to substantiate a title shot. Yeah he pinned the champ in a tag match but he's still not a standout SINGLES competitor yet. I feel like that's fair. Eddie and Roddy have singles victories to legitimize their title shots right? Elgin won Survival of the Fittest, Lethal was the TV champ; Cole has nothing on the singles level. That's why I think it's fair.

I understand what you mean about "before" but a lot of things happened in the past that don't stand now.

[Big Red Machine]

it was a tag match, tho. If they gave him the shot just for pinning Davey, then there'd be no use for the proving ground matches

1. Pinning the champ in a tag match has been justification for getting a title shot before.

2. The Proving Ground matches are pointless anyway. Kyle O'Reilly and Adam Cole didn't earn their TV Title shots with a Proving Ground match. They earned them the old fashioned way: Winning matches and impressing management. Eddie and Roddy didn't earn the title shots they got last weekend. Neither did Elgin. He beat somebody else, then got lucky that Davey happened to retain the belt the night before.

It has been 5 and a half months since they announced this silly concept, and since then, only Bennett, Roddy, and Jigsaw and Hallowicked, and Ciampa have earned title shots with it. Since that time, Generico, Cole, O'Reilly, Davey & O'Reilly, Jay Lethal, the Young Bucks, Elgin, Roddy, and Eddie (twice) have earned title shots without it (this is ignoring WGTT and Generico's rematch clauses).

so you want them to abandon the concept; fair enough.

but until they do, they can always use it as an excuse. esp with a guy like Cole who has NO singles victories to substantiate a title shot. Yeah he pinned the champ in a tag match but he's still not a standout SINGLES competitor yet. I feel like that's fair. Eddie and Roddy have singles victories to legitimize their title shots right? Elgin won Survival of the Fittest, Lethal was the TV champ; Cole has nothing on the singles level. That's why I think it's fair.

I understand what you mean about "before" but a lot of things happened in the past that don't stand now.

I'm just really getting tired of the belt not being defended with sort of regularity at all.

[cero2k]

I'm just really getting tired of the belt not being defended with sort of regularity at all.

has ROH ever made mention of the 30 day rule??

[Big Red Machine]

I'm just really getting tired of the belt not being defended with sort of regularity at all.

has ROH ever made mention of the 30 day rule??

No. ROH usually only runs one weekend of shows a month, and the champ is usually a top indy name, so he might tour Japan. With a rule like that, if you miss one weekend, you've lost the belt.

They even let NIgel take time off to heal when he had the belt.

[badnewzxl]

I'm just really getting tired of the belt not being defended with sort of regularity at all.

has ROH ever made mention of the 30 day rule??

No. ROH usually only runs one weekend of shows a month, and the champ is usually a top indy name, so he might tour Japan. With a rule like that, if you miss one weekend, you've lost the belt.

They even let NIgel take time off to heal when he had the belt.

I think they run at least two wknds a month; they def use to do WAAAAY more

[cero2k]

Davey has also done several defenses in japan and mexico

[Big Red Machine]

From yesterday's newswire:

- In regards to the recently signed Proving Ground match on April 29th in Dayton, ROH World Champion Davey Richards has sent word that Adam Cole has already proven himself in Ring of Honor and deserves an ROH World Championship match. ROH officials have stated that the ROH World Title is the most prestigious championship in all of wrestling and although Cole pinned Davey in a tag team bout, he must prove himself in singles competition.

LOL

[badnewzxl]

From yesterday's newswire:

- In regards to the recently signed Proving Ground match on April 29th in Dayton, ROH World Champion Davey Richards has sent word that Adam Cole has already proven himself in Ring of Honor and deserves an ROH World Championship match. ROH officials have stated that the ROH World Title is the most prestigious championship in all of wrestling and although Cole pinned Davey in a tag team bout, he must prove himself in singles competition.

LOL

looks like they've been reading your posts, BRM

[yourcrapsweak]

ROH is getting too much like UFC in my opinion. I know UFC doesn't really work this way, but I can tell Cornette is drawing a lot of inspiration from mixed martial arts booking.

[badnewzxl]

ROH is getting too much like UFC in my opinion. I know UFC doesn't really work this way, but I can tell Cornette is drawing a lot of inspiration from mixed martial arts booking.

I don't really watch UFC; what do you mean? Do champs have non-title bouts in MMA?

[Shogun Rua]

Do champs have non-title bouts in MMA?

I've only seen it done once, by Anderson Silva, but that was because he was fighting in a different weight class (he was Middleweight champion, and took a fight against Forrest Griffin in the Light Heavyweight Division[I highly recommend to watch this fight, it has a legitimate HOLY SH*T moment]).

ROH is getting too much like UFC in my opinion. I know UFC doesn't really work this way, but I can tell Cornette is drawing a lot of inspiration from mixed martial arts booking.

Maybe from old PRIDE FC footage. It had a lot of similarities to pro wrestling (elaborate entrances with music and pyro, video packages with promos, they even came up with a backstory to some of their fighters). I think it would help to book pro wrestling more like MMA, because it makes more sense. This guy has been winning a lot, so he fights the champion. Or this guy has been winning a lot, but has now lost to guy 2, now guy 2 gets a shot. Of course, it would probably be boring to most wrestling fans, because there is no drama, but at least they could not complain about the booking not making sense.

[badnewzxl]

Do champs have non-title bouts in MMA?

I've only seen it done once, by Anderson Silva, but that was because he was fighting in a different weight class (he was Middleweight champion, and took a fight against Forrest Griffin in the Light Heavyweight Division[I highly recommend to watch this fight, it has a legitimate HOLY SH*T moment]).

ROH is getting too much like UFC in my opinion. I know UFC doesn't really work this way, but I can tell Cornette is drawing a lot of inspiration from mixed martial arts booking.

Maybe from old PRIDE FC footage. It had a lot of similarities to pro wrestling (elaborate entrances with music and pyro, video packages with promos, they even came up with a backstory to some of their fighters). I think it would help to book pro wrestling more like MMA, because it makes more sense. This guy has been winning a lot, so he fights the champion. Or this guy has been winning a lot, but has now lost to guy 2, now guy 2 gets a shot. Of course, it would probably be boring to most wrestling fans, because there is no drama, but at least they could not complain about the booking not making sense.

1. I WILL check out that fight bc those are two of the guys I've actually gotten to see in the octagon and I REALLY enjoyed watching them.

2. Wrestling has been that way at times, but after the attitude era, no one thought to work angles that way anymore. ROH did it for a while; and I'm sure some other promotions did similar things but most modern wrestling fans would rather have some unrealistic, silly, super involved, overdone storyline that involves grown men crying or someone's family over a good old fashioned "this guys been winning matches and moving up the ranks" type build. Goldberg was the last guy to have a build like that in any of the major promotions.

[Big Red Machine]

ROH just released a video with Davey demanding that Cole be given a title shot in Dayton