Which 1st Season was Better?

Post by **Rabid619** » Jun 12th, '11, 16:59

With completion of the first season of the revival of Tough Enough it got me thinking, how does it match up against say the first season of NXT? I realize that NXT wasn't the same as Tough Enough. Tough Enough built people who were not all wrestlers into possible WWE Superstars whereas NXT took 8 rookies and game them each a pro to see who could make it in the WWE. Both shows had the concept of 1 winner. Some people might like the way TE trained guys & gals to actually take bumps and do stuff correctly while others might like the way NXT took 8 guys who were already wrestlers & made them take the final steps into becoming a WWE Superstar.

Which do you prefer, 1st Season of Tough Enough (2011) or 1st Season of NXT?

Post by **kiel297** » Jun 12th, '11, 17:04

Tough Enough, purely because every moment was legit.

Post by **cero2k** » Jun 12th, '11, 17:15

NXT because the pros and rookies actually made me feel like watching the thing, while TE lost all my attention as soon as MDogg was gone.

Post by **kiel297** » Jun 12th, '11, 17:59

cero2k wrote:NXT because the pros and rookies actually made me feel like watching the thing, while TE lost all my attention as soon as MDogg was gone.

Even with Big Bill?

Post by **Rabid619** » Jun 12th, '11, 19:05

I liked Tough Enough more, it didn't have stupid challenges like running up some stairs and drinking soda. You had 3 trainers who when you were on point, they had words of encouragement. If you f*cked up, they let you know it. The only thing of Season 1 of NXT that really got me to watch was Daniel Bryan that was it, not the concept of the show but 1 person.

Tough Enough was awesome from start to finish.

Post by **Big Red Machine** » Jun 12th, '11, 19:20

kiel297 wrote:Tough Enough, purely because every moment was legit.

I didn't even watch Tough Enough, and this is why.

NXT was better because it was worked.

Post by **cero2k** » Jun 13th, '11, 00:14

kiel297 wrote:
cero2k wrote:NXT because the pros and rookies actually made me feel like watching the thing, while TE lost all my attention as soon as MDogg was gone.
Even with Big Bill?

yeah, idk, it just never got to me.When it started, i was really hoping to see MDogg make everyone look bad, but i completely lost interest after he took off. Not book, not Austin, nor bill were enough to make me watch.

i've never been a fan of the TE style of show, mainly because it's constant training, while in NXT i got to see Dragon, Barrett, or Gabriel fight and develop.

Post by **Rabid619** » Jun 13th, '11, 00:50

cero2k wrote:yeah, idk, it just never got to me.When it started, i was really hoping to see MDogg make everyone look bad, but i completely lost interest after he took off. Not book, not Austin, nor bill were enough to make me watch.

i've never been a fan of the TE style of show, mainly because it's constant training, while in NXT i got to see Dragon, Barrett, or Gabriel fight and develop.

In TE, people developed each week. It was a new philosophy each week, teammate work, agility and other stuff like that. MDogg didnt even show up for TE. The week he was eliminated, Trish gave him a wide open shot to show what he could do in the ring. He said he had all this experience and when he was given the chance to show what he had, he fell flat on his face.

From the start, Luke & Martin had more going for them then MDogg, he just seemed so boring. He didnt show any personality and didnt take the show seriously.

Post by **cero2k** » Jun 13th, '11, 01:57

Rabid619 wrote: In TE, people developed each week. It was a new philosophy each week, teammate work, agility and other stuff like that. MDogg didnt even show up for TE. The week he was eliminated, Trish gave him a wide open shot to show what he could do in the ring. He said he had all this experience and when he was given the chance to show what he had, he fell flat on his face.

From the start, Luke & Martin had more going for them then MDogg, he just seemed so boring. He didnt show any personality and didnt take the show seriously.

but that there was the problem, i don't wanna see people i don't know develop, cuz i honestly don't care that much, i rather see them develop in FCW, when i tune into wrestling, i rarely care about how they are in real life, for me, you either play an awesome character, or you kick ass in the ring. and i'm pretty sure that guys like MDogg or Miss USA getting eliminated was just to show that there is more to sports entertainment than having wrestling experience or being famous, i mean, we know that half of those guys are getting eventually brought in to FCW and even WWE. they're not gonna miss on Fox's sister or that Randy Orton double. MDogg fell flat in his face? hell, Trish has botched double that he probably has, and on WM.

IMO, MDogg's elimination reminded me of Dragon being the first NXT elimination, the difference is that NXT still kept me interested in other guys like Barrett or Gabriel and their matches. It kept me interested in what Cole would say about Danielson getting eliminated.

Post by **kiel297** » Jun 13th, '11, 04:07

Hmm, well whether you liked Tough Enough or not, it produced one hell of a big guy in Andy Leavine. We already know that one of his signature moves is a big boot. If WWE Creative had half a mind, they would take this Silent Rage character that he'd been building over the course of Tough Enough, slap it on him as a permanent nickname, use the slap and stunner that he got last week as a catalyst, and have him go on some monster heel rampage.

When it comes to the "leave the locker room in fear" type stuff, with backstage attacks and mid-match beatdowns he could be impressive. I'm not just talking walk in, hit a finisher and be done with. I'm talking proper beatdowns (such as Stone Cold on Michael Cole).

Post by **Rabid619** » Jun 13th, '11, 09:17

cero2k wrote:MDogg fell flat in his face? hell, Trish has botched double that he probably has, and on WM.

I mean metaphorically. He was given a chance to show what he had and didnt come through with it. He went in the ring with Luke & Luke very obviously out shinned him. MDogg didn't take TE seriously which is why he got eliminated so quickly. Nobody to blame there but himself.

Post by **badnewzxl** » Jun 13th, '11, 13:37

kiel297 wrote:Tough Enough, purely because every moment was legit.

I saw bits and pieces and I have to TOTALLY disagree; that show seemed just as fake to me as all the other reality shows on tv.

I liked NXT better bc it was about BEING a wrestler, not a falsehood about BECOMING a pro wrestler.

Post by **Rabid619** » Jun 13th, '11, 13:52

badnewzxl wrote:
I saw bits and pieces and I have to TOTALLY disagree; that show seemed just as fake to me as all the other reality shows on tv.

I liked NXT better bc it was about BEING a wrestler, not a falsehood about BECOMING a pro wrestler.

Theres nothing false about being taught how to do moves and taking bumps the right way. Thats as real as it gets.

Post by **badnewzxl** » Jun 13th, '11, 14:11

Rabid619 wrote:
badnewzxl wrote:
I saw bits and pieces and I have to TOTALLY disagree; that show seemed just as fake to me as all the other reality shows on tv.

I liked NXT better bc it was about BEING a wrestler, not a falsehood about BECOMING a pro wrestler.
Theres nothing false about being taught how to do moves and taking bumps the right way. Thats as real as it gets.

there's also nothing fake about ACTUALLY DOING IT either; like they did in NXT. I don't care to watch someone LEARN how to wrestler; most ppl don't, that's why you don't usually make it to TV until you've already been trained. I enjoy the actual wrestling show, not the training involved in becoming a pro wrestler. Nobody wants to watch teams practice; nobody wants to watch concert rehearsals either. I wanna see the show.

I'm not a big fan of reality tv; the very term itself seems oxymoronic to me....

Post by **Rabid619** » Jun 13th, '11, 14:32

badnewzxl wrote:
there's also nothing fake about ACTUALLY DOING IT either; like they did in NXT. I don't care to watch someone LEARN how to wrestler; most ppl don't, that's why you don't usually make it to TV until you've already been trained. I enjoy the actual wrestling show, not the training involved in becoming a pro wrestler. Nobody wants to watch teams practice; nobody wants to watch concert rehearsals either. I wanna see the show.

I'm not a big fan of reality tv; the very term itself seems oxymoronic to me....

Its a learning experience. You see how they teach it to these kids who might have it down or might not have done it before.

Post by **Big Red Machine** » Jun 13th, '11, 16:32

Rabid619 wrote:
badnewzxl wrote:
there's also nothing fake about ACTUALLY DOING IT either; like they did in NXT. I don't care to watch someone LEARN how to wrestler; most ppl don't, that's why you don't usually make it to TV until you've already been trained. I enjoy the actual wrestling show, not the training involved in becoming a pro wrestler. Nobody wants to watch teams practice; nobody wants to watch concert rehearsals either. I wanna see the show.

I'm not a big fan of reality tv; the very term itself seems oxymoronic to me....
Its a learning experience. You see how they teach it to these kids who might have it down or might not have done it before.

And Badnewz's point is that he (like me) doesn't not find that to be interesting in the slightest.

Post by **Bob-O** » Jun 14th, '11, 08:35

I loved NXT Season 1, especially the end result of The Nexus invasion, but TE was better in my opinion. TE focused on athletic ability, ring work, and charisma with constant feedback from the trainers while, as previously posted, NXT featured goofy challenges and matches where the Pros wrestled the Pros (?), not to mention the excessive filler of Raw Recaps. I did enjoy it, but NXT never had a set format or established a consistent method of ranking the Rookies (they still haven't to my knowledge, and they're in what? Season 6 now? Season 7?). It was a great show to watch, but not an easy show to "get into". TE had me hooked from start to finish, legitimately cheering on some of the contestants and anxiously awaiting others to have Stone Cold take their belt.

Post by **Big Red Machine** » Jun 14th, '11, 10:45

Bob-O wrote:I loved NXT Season 1, especially the end result of The Nexus invasion, but TE was better in my opinion. TE focused on athletic ability, ring work, and charisma with constant feedback from the trainers while, as previously posted, NXT featured goofy challenges and matches where the Pros wrestled the Pros (?), not to mention the excessive filler of Raw Recaps. I did enjoy it, but NXT never had a set format or established a consistent method of ranking the Rookies (they still haven't to my knowledge, and they're in what? Season 6 now? Season 7?). It was a great show to watch, but not an easy show to "get into". TE had me hooked from start to finish, legitimately cheering on some of the contestants and anxiously awaiting others to have Stone Cold take their belt.

They stated in the beginning that the pros would take various factors into account, including win-loss record (which was why it was so kayfabe controversial when Dragon came out ranked on top, despite not winning), difficulty of opponents, performance in challenges, attitude, and other things like that.

Post by **cero2k** » Jun 14th, '11, 11:17

do consider that as Bob O mentioned, TE is to train physically and in-ring mechanics, while NXT focused more on building characters and mic skills. TE doesn't really help in the character/gimmick area, while NXT helped guys like Barrett get comfortable with the mic.

Post by **Rabid619** » Jun 14th, '11, 12:06

cero2k wrote:do consider that as Bob O mentioned, TE is to train physically and in-ring mechanics, while NXT focused more on building characters and mic skills. TE doesn't really help in the character/gimmick area, while NXT helped guys like Barrett get comfortable with the mic.

Yeah it does, not mainly though. They focus on every part of being a WWE Superstar. The in ring skills, the endurance, the mental toughness AND building a character by having the contestants cut a promo on Big Bill.