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BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 00:02
by Big Red Machine
WWE TAG TEAM TITLE #1 CONTENDERS TOURNAMENT FINALS: Rey Mysterio & Sin Cara vs. Rhodes Scholars- 6/10
Best opener I can remember on Raw in a long time. Hooray for the heels winning clean.

They keep saying that Rey is "mentoring" Sin Cara, but we never see anything along those lines at all. The only thing along these lines that has even been mentioned in any sort of semi-specific terms is Cole's comment tonight that Rey "has really helped Sin Cara become acclimated with the move to the United States and the WWE," which is all well and good... until you remember that Sin Cara made the move a year and a half ago!

DRAGON & KANE PROMO- didn't like it. When it comes to this tag team, Dragon has been the one to be the douchebag, not Kane. I also didn't like the choreographed "Hell no." We have been told that, outside of the ring, these two can't get along at all. It would have been much better if one of them jumped the gun and their timing was off, causing the other to get angry (maybe use this to set up Kane doing his douchy thing with Dragon).

KOFI KINGSTON vs. MICHAEL MCGILLICUTTY- 1.75/10
Too short

CENA & PUNK SEGMENT- okay. I get Ryback not cutting promos, but having Cena basically cut a promo for Ryback felt a bit odd.

ANTONIO CESARO vs. JUSTIN GABRIEL- 3.5/10
Should have gone a lot longer, especially if they were going to have the champ lose.

AJ RESIGNS AS GM OF RAW- A few things here:
1. Did I miss something? Where the hell did this "fraternizing with one of the Superstars on the roster" thing come from?"
2. Really, this is what gets AJ removed from her job as GM? not being a crazy person, assaulting employees, and metaphorically giving the WWE Board of Directors the finger with her treatment of the "developmental coach they assigned to her?"
3. The brilliant babyface every-woman AJ character whose dream was to be a wrestler that I fell in love with on NXT seems to have now been officially removed from continuity. BOO!
4. Most importantly... THIS MAKES NO F*CKING SENSE! We have had tons of GM's in relationships with wrestlers (Steph & Hunter, Dolph & Vickie, Edge & Vickie, Teddy Long & Krystal, Teddy Long & Aksana... and that is just the last five years) and no one has ever had a problem with it before. And the cherry on top of all of this stupidity: Anyone remember when Vince offered AJ the GM job? It was off-screen, sometime on the day of the 1000th Raw. And what was one of the major selling points of the 1000th Raw: AJ GETTING MARRIED TO DANIEL BRYAN!

The Heyman stuff- a good heel promo, but why does the Board need a new GM named immediately? They waited six weeks between firing Johnny Ace and naming someone else.

VICKIE IS NAMED "MANAGING SUPERVISOR"- why the new title? Also, why Vickie? It seems to me that, from a kayfabe point of view, Teddy Long is the most logical choice (seeing as how he was a GM for years and won't have an inclination to favor any particular superstars *cough!*Vickie & Dolph*cough!

Vickie's interactions with Heyman felt extremely lame and cliched. Her steel stuff on AJ was okay, aside from one little detail? How can AJ have an affair with someone if she isn't married?

So overall... a sh*tty segment that makes no kayfabe sense at all, that was only slightly saved by AJ assaulting Vickie at the end.

RYBACK vs. THE MIZ- squash. Based on Miz's earlier statements on commentary, wouldn't it have made more sense for Miz to run away and Ryback win by count-out? Squashing Miz doesn't help Ryback at all, and running away will get Miz more heat than getting squashed will.

EVE & KAITLYN SEGMENT- okay, so Eve is bashing AJ for supposedly being with a bunch of guys, so Kaitlyn says "Even if it is true, who are you to talk? You were with Ryder then tried to get with Cena." Whoops Sorry. That is what would happen in the parallel universe where WWE remembers things that happened before the beginning of someone's current feud. Instead, WE had Kaitlyn say that Eve is also unprofessional because she had someone jumped from behind (way to stand up for your friend there, Kaitlyn. You don't even try to say that they are just rumors and that AJ really isn't a slut). Facepalm.
The only enjoyable part of this segment was when Layla ran in to break up the scuffle and Eve shoved her from behind, so Layla said "Really?" and turned around and just went after Eve herself.

SHEAMUS & BIG SHOW BACKSTAGE- great

DOLPH ZIGGLER vs. DANIEL BRYAN- 7/10
GREAT match, and I loved the finish with Kane getting the crowd to chant "YES," screwing Dragon up, despite having good intentions.
Then Matt Striker comes out and says that Dragon and Kane must participate in something called a "therapeutic game show." There is no way this is going to be a good thing. Striker did a do a good job with his delivery, though. He got his fear over very well.

THE NEWLY-TAGGED GAME- I love Damien Sandow right now.

THE BIG SHOW vs. KANE (w/Daniel Bryan)- n rating. Good segment.

AJ & CENA BACKSTAGE- ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought that they were using the word "fraternizing" because they didn't want to say "having sex with" on their PG show (although I'm not sure why they couldn't have just used the phrase "an inappropriate relationship with"), but apparently THEY MEANT IT LITERALLY!
I can buy that Vickie saw AJ and Cena having dinner together and decided to spread the rumor that they were sleeping together but for AJ not try to fight it when the truth is SO F*CKING SIMPLE AND PLAUSIBLE IS... well... almost as dumb as Dixie Carter & AJ Styles deciding that it would be better to let the world think they were having an affair than to reveal that they were actually helping a recovering drug addict! In fact, the only reason I'm not flipping an even bigger sh*t about this is because AJ is crazy, and Cena's reaction was pretty much exactly the same as mine.

CENA & VINCE SEGMENT- good

ZACK RYDER vs. ALBERTO DEL RIO (w/Ricardo Rodriguez)- 2/10
Standard two minute WWE match that does nothing for the winner and buries the loser.

CENA & VICKIE SEGMENT- not bad, but when was this date? And did Cena, a married man, really ask another woman out on a date on NATIONAL TV?!

DOLPH ZIGGLER PROMO- DECENT

PUNK & HEYMAN BACKSTAGE- eh. This was also completely unnecessary.

LUMBERJACK MATCH: CM Punk vs. Sheamus-7.5/10
Great match, and I loved the finish.

AFTERMATH- GREAT! The only thing I would have done differently would have been to have Ryback just plow through a line of heel lumberjacks on his way into the ring.

Overall, a very good episode of Raw in the ring, but all of the GM stuff was just complete and total crap. A good go-home show, though.

Re: BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 01:38
by cero2k
Big Red Machine wrote:
DRAGON & KANE PROMO- didn't like it. When it comes to this tag team, Dragon has been the one to be the douchebag, not Kane. I also didn't like the choreographed "Hell no." We have been told that, outside of the ring, these two can't get along at all. It would have been much better if one of them jumped the gun and their timing was off, causing the other to get angry (maybe use this to set up Kane doing his douchy thing with Dragon).
I'm for once glad they're starting to do these stuff where they seem to be on the same page, the whole 'we can't get along' stuff has ran its course, how can i believe they're a dominant tag team if they don't work together. I was happy at Kane defending Daniel last week, and I was also happy that both Kane and Daniel were taken out later in the show.

Big Red Machine wrote: VICKIE IS NAMED "MANAGING SUPERVISOR"- why the new title? Also, why Vickie? It seems to me that, from a kayfabe point of view, Teddy Long is the most logical choice (seeing as how he was a GM for years and won't have an inclination to favor any particular superstars *cough!*Vickie & Dolph*cough!
yet Teddy has shown to be incompetent before and removed from the position while Vickie didn't get fired from the position, she left it on her own.

Big Red Machine wrote: THE NEWLY-TAGGED GAME- I love Damien Sandow right now.
the best thing about this was the idea of what awesomeness would it be if Striker would join Team Rhodes Scholars.
Big Red Machine wrote: 1. Did I miss something? Where the hell did this "fraternizing with one of the Superstars on the roster" thing come from?"

CENA & VICKIE SEGMENT- not bad, but when was this date? And did Cena, a married man, really ask another woman out on a date on NATIONAL TV?!
Yes and Yes, Punk started with that and she did had a past of hitting on three guys at the same time. Second one, Cena did ask her out in the middle of the ring, mic in hand. and no, Cena is not married anymore, and if he were, not kayfabe-wise.
Big Red Machine wrote: AJ & CENA BACKSTAGE- ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought that they were using the word "fraternizing" because they didn't want to say "having sex with" on their PG show (although I'm not sure why they couldn't have just used the phrase "an inappropriate relationship with"), but apparently THEY MEANT IT LITERALLY!
I can buy that Vickie saw AJ and Cena having dinner together and decided to spread the rumor that they were sleeping together but for AJ not try to fight it when the truth is SO F*CKING SIMPLE AND PLAUSIBLE IS...
this is assuming that it is Cena who they're actually talking about, for all we know AJ could have also 'fraternized' with say Orton and Vickie just got her stories mixed up.

Re: BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 02:10
by kiel297
Matt Striker costs Kane and Bryan the titles on Sunday, and returns to the ring as a competitor. Calling it. Possible joining with Rhodes Scholars.

Re: BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 07:45
by Big Red Machine
kiel297 wrote:Matt Striker costs Kane and Bryan the titles on Sunday, and returns to the ring as a competitor. Calling it. Possible joining with Rhodes Scholars.
I don't see him becoming a wrestler, but managing Rhodes Scholars would be cool.

Re: BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 07:52
by Big Red Machine
cero2k wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote: VICKIE IS NAMED "MANAGING SUPERVISOR"- why the new title? Also, why Vickie? It seems to me that, from a kayfabe point of view, Teddy Long is the most logical choice (seeing as how he was a GM for years and won't have an inclination to favor any particular superstars *cough!*Vickie & Dolph*cough!
yet Teddy has shown to be incompetent before and removed from the position while Vickie didn't get fired from the position, she left it on her own.
I don't think Teddy was shown to be incompetent. His team lost a match with a stip that he would lose his job if they lost.
cero2k wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote: 1. Did I miss something? Where the hell did this "fraternizing with one of the Superstars on the roster" thing come from?"

CENA & VICKIE SEGMENT- not bad, but when was this date? And did Cena, a married man, really ask another woman out on a date on NATIONAL TV?!
Yes and Yes, Punk started with that and she did had a past of hitting on three guys at the same time. Second one, Cena did ask her out in the middle of the ring, mic in hand. and no, Cena is not married anymore, and if he were, not kayfabe-wise.
Wikipedia says that Cena and his wife got back together. I don't think we have seen her at any point from a kayfabe POC (as opposed to Orton's wife, who does kayfabe exist, or Jeff Hardy's wife), so I can acccept that she kayfabe doesn't exist, but if that is true, than Vickie's claim that AJ and Cena are having an affair makes no sense because neither of them are married.
cero2k wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote: AJ & CENA BACKSTAGE- ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought that they were using the word "fraternizing" because they didn't want to say "having sex with" on their PG show (although I'm not sure why they couldn't have just used the phrase "an inappropriate relationship with"), but apparently THEY MEANT IT LITERALLY!
I can buy that Vickie saw AJ and Cena having dinner together and decided to spread the rumor that they were sleeping together but for AJ not try to fight it when the truth is SO F*CKING SIMPLE AND PLAUSIBLE IS...
this is assuming that it is Cena who they're actually talking about, for all we know AJ could have also 'fraternized' with say Orton and Vickie just got her stories mixed up.
This is very, very flimsy, and still doesn't make the angle any good at all.

Re: BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 09:19
by cero2k
Big Red Machine wrote:
cero2k wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote: AJ & CENA BACKSTAGE- ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought that they were using the word "fraternizing" because they didn't want to say "having sex with" on their PG show (although I'm not sure why they couldn't have just used the phrase "an inappropriate relationship with"), but apparently THEY MEANT IT LITERALLY!
I can buy that Vickie saw AJ and Cena having dinner together and decided to spread the rumor that they were sleeping together but for AJ not try to fight it when the truth is SO F*CKING SIMPLE AND PLAUSIBLE IS...
this is assuming that it is Cena who they're actually talking about, for all we know AJ could have also 'fraternized' with say Orton and Vickie just got her stories mixed up.
This is very, very flimsy, and still doesn't make the angle any good at all.
oh no no, i'm not trying to defend the angle, i think it's stupid, i'm just saying that some of the stuff we've seen so far, like AJ not trying to fight with the truth, could still have a good reason of why they're doing it this way.

Re: BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 09:58
by Big Red Machine
cero2k wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote:
cero2k wrote:
this is assuming that it is Cena who they're actually talking about, for all we know AJ could have also 'fraternized' with say Orton and Vickie just got her stories mixed up.
This is very, very flimsy, and still doesn't make the angle any good at all.
oh no no, i'm not trying to defend the angle, i think it's stupid, i'm just saying that some of the stuff we've seen so far, like AJ not trying to fight with the truth, could still have a good reason of why they're doing it this way.
Good point

Re: BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 17:36
by Serujuunin
...JUSTIN BEAT THE US CHAMPION!

*ahem* Sorry, I'm done now. Just wondering, does Cesaro have a HITC match? If not, give him one with Justin!

Re: BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 18:02
by Big Red Machine
Serujuunin wrote:...JUSTIN BEAT THE US CHAMPION!

*ahem* Sorry, I'm done now. Just wondering, does Cesaro have a HITC match? If not, give him one with Justin!
Hopefully this is what they will do.

Re: BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 18:55
by cero2k
Big Red Machine wrote:
Serujuunin wrote:...JUSTIN BEAT THE US CHAMPION!

*ahem* Sorry, I'm done now. Just wondering, does Cesaro have a HITC match? If not, give him one with Justin!
Hopefully this is what they will do.
hey may get a pre-show match cuz there's not a lot of build up, but if they do, once again all titles will be on the line :D

Re: BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 19:38
by Big Red Machine
cero2k wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote:
Serujuunin wrote:...JUSTIN BEAT THE US CHAMPION!

*ahem* Sorry, I'm done now. Just wondering, does Cesaro have a HITC match? If not, give him one with Justin!
Hopefully this is what they will do.
hey may get a pre-show match cuz there's not a lot of build up, but if they do, once again all titles will be on the line :D
The Diva's Title isn't on the line yet, either.

Re: BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 19:43
by cero2k
Big Red Machine wrote:
cero2k wrote: hey may get a pre-show match cuz there's not a lot of build up, but if they do, once again all titles will be on the line :D
The Diva's Title isn't on the line yet, either.
oops...

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Re: BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 20:13
by Serujuunin
Big Red Machine wrote:
Serujuunin wrote:...JUSTIN BEAT THE US CHAMPION!

*ahem* Sorry, I'm done now. Just wondering, does Cesaro have a HITC match? If not, give him one with Justin!
Hopefully this is what they will do.
I don't even care if it's on the pre-show, I know Justin and Cesaro can put on an amazing match if given any significant amount of time, and the little fangirl in me wants to see Justin win the US Championship. :D

Re: BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 20:20
by Big Red Machine
Serujuunin wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote:
Serujuunin wrote:...JUSTIN BEAT THE US CHAMPION!

*ahem* Sorry, I'm done now. Just wondering, does Cesaro have a HITC match? If not, give him one with Justin!
Hopefully this is what they will do.
I don't even care if it's on the pre-show, I know Justin and Cesaro can put on an amazing match if given any significant amount of time, and the little fangirl in me wants to see Justin win the US Championship. :D
If there is a match, you should video tape your reaction. Then, if Justin wins, post it.

Re: BRM Reviews the 10/22/2012 Raw

Posted: Oct 24th, '12, 20:58
by Serujuunin
Big Red Machine wrote:
Serujuunin wrote: I don't even care if it's on the pre-show, I know Justin and Cesaro can put on an amazing match if given any significant amount of time, and the little fangirl in me wants to see Justin win the US Championship. :D
If there is a match, you should video tape your reaction. Then, if Justin wins, post it.
...I might just have to do that. Then you can all laugh hysterically at me. :P However, it would be nothing compared to y reaction when Jeff won his first one. You guys would have loved that one I'm sure. :P