I have a question for all, after all that ROH has grown over the years. Do you still consider ROH as an indy fed?

I'll go with yes because of the following major reason: No national TV deal (and in a horrible/non-consistent time slot)

I voted yes. It's definitely not on the mainstream radar.

Of course, by that standard TNA is barely not an Indy Fed I suppose.

Yes for the same reasons BRM mentioned. Until it airs consistently on national TV it's still an Indy Fed to me.

I agree with all of the above, especially with Verdun's view of TNA barely being more than an Indy. It's all about viewership, exposure, and notoriety.

yeah, still a indy fed. miles ahead from all the rest of the indies out there, but still an indy.

I think it's getting too big to be considered an indy anymore. It's in a weird middle ground where it's not WWE, but it's not your local indy-schmuck filled promotion. IWA-MS in its day was a popular promotion but definitely independent. ROH, WAY above that level. It's way above CHIKARA, CZW, PWG, DGUSA, EVOLVE, JAPW, etc. So while it's not a WWE or TNA machine, it's still not an indy, and since the question is is it still an indy? I believe no.

yourcrapsweak wrote:I think it's getting too big to be considered an indy anymore. It's in a weird middle ground where it's not WWE, but it's not your local indy-schmuck filled promotion. IWA-MS in its day was a popular promotion but definitely independent. ROH, WAY above that level. It's way above CHIKARA, CZW, PWG, DGUSA, EVOLVE, JAPW, etc. So while it's not a WWE or TNA machine, it's still not an indy, and since the question is is it still an indy? I believe no.

The more I think about it, the more I think this is the best analysis of ROH's situation. ROH is in about 75% of American households, but it is airs at different times, depending on where you are, and in most places, it has an extremely crappy time-slot. The only comparable situation I can think of is ECW in the mid-90's, although ECW (I think was in less households), but a lot of ROH's prominence, IMO actually comes more from the internet. If the internet had been as big in the mid 90's as it is now, I think maybe ROH now would be comparable with mid-90's ECW