c'mon,you know there has to be at least one thing, right??

I may get some heat for this, but I think the best thing going for TNA at the moment is Immortal. I didn't like the crew at first, they were WAY too big. But now, they've got a truly formidable crew:

-Eric Bischof: the brains; former mastermind behind WCW's dominance; kayfabe, easily the second most important member of the nWo. Bischof is the perfect centerpiece for this group.

-Hulk Hogan & Ric Flair: the two names that put wrestling on the map; the two biggest Legends of all time. One represents the WWE, the other represents WCW & NWA. BOTH are WWE HOFers and wrestling Gods. If you're gonna call your group Immortal, you have to have the Immortal One and the MAN.

-Jeff & Karen Jarrett- the Founder/first couple of TNA. JJ lends his status in the present company to Immortal. His blessing is a very necessary element of Immortal's agenda.

-Matt Hardy & Bully Ray- two guys who were a part of two LEGENDARY tag teams, their change of attitude as of late is perfect for their group AND for TNA. Both guys are veterans who feel that they've been held back for too long and (instead of actually pursuing the success they feel they deserve) they want to shatter the dreams of the up and coming talent. The two SHOULD pursue the tag titles (the Cold Blood Bullies).

-Abyss- Like the Jarretts, Abyss' ties with TNA makes him a worthy acquisition; add in the fact that he's the largest wrestler in TNA, a multi-time champ, and a TNA Original and it's obvious why he's involved in this group.

-Gunner- lastly, you have to have a new guy (not several; keep Terry & Murphy out of this) and Gunner is perfect. Of all the fresh faces TNA has spit out over the last two or three years (Crimson, Jesse Neal, etc) Gunner has impressed me the most. the group needs a guy who can soak up all the knowledge from the rest of the group; they need a guy who has he youth to go head to head with guys like Daniels and Styles straight up. They need a guy who's just gonna shut up and go out to the ring and follow their orders. Gunner is perfect bc he can do it without just looking like a lackey; he can add his own things to it and make it even better.

I'm really feelin' Immortal right now; keep Hogan, Bischof, and Flair out of the ring; keep JJ's wrestling to a minimum, but keep him and Karen's mouths running; have Abyss, Bully, and Cold Blood inflict their brutality on Fortune and the lot; and give Gunner a platform on which to propel his career (by the time Immortal is ending its run, Gunner should either be breaking away from the group, or have become the main focus. He's got a good look, lots of intensity, and DEF talent).

P.S. Dreamer, Terry, and Murphy are not needed as far as Immortal goes; they've got plenty of GOOD soldiers, they don't need these three.

P.S.S. Why is Dreamer NOW heeding the words Foley told him over 15 years ago (not to mention the numerous other instances where ppl have told Tommy that he was brutalizing himself for the fans)? I guess when you beat a dead horse for so long, it kinda becomes your thing, huh...

Same thing as has always been the best thing in TNA: AJ STYLES

Big Red Machine wrote:Same thing as has always been the best thing in TNA: AJ STYLES

true; although I wish they'd stop having him get "hurt" or "injured" every month or two. He's already been legit hurt once and kayfabe injured twice this year....

badnewzxl wrote: although I wish they'd stop having him get "hurt" or "injured" every month or two. He's already been legit hurt once and kayfabe injured twice this year....

This, i mean i get that they want the people to cheer for him and maybe have him look like even more babyface BUT i'd rather see him in more matches than hear or see him getting hut everyone other month or so.

Let me also say this: TNA focuses more on their characters being REAL, people; not strictly heels or faces. It makes it a lot more realistic in my book. They're more like real ppl with each having their own faults and benefits. Anderson is the perfect example; he'll jump ANYBODY, but he doesn't side with the heels by default. He lives up to his asshole gimmick regardless of whether he's a heel or a face....

badnewzxl wrote:Let me also say this: TNA focuses more on their characters being REAL, people; not strictly heels or faces. It makes it a lot more realistic in my book. They're more like real ppl with each having their own faults and benefits. Anderson is the perfect example; he'll jump ANYBODY, but he doesn't side with the heels by default. He lives up to his a**hole gimmick regardless of whether he's a heel or a face....

The problem is (as it always is with TNA/Russo) when they take it too far. Anderson works perfectly. He is a great tweener-heel. But look at the Angle-Jarrett feud. They put custody of their children on the line in a wrestling match!

Big Red Machine wrote:

badnewzxl wrote:Let me also say this: TNA focuses more on their characters being REAL, people; not strictly heels or faces. It makes it a lot more realistic in my book. They're more like real ppl with each having their own faults and benefits. Anderson is the perfect example; he'll jump ANYBODY, but he doesn't side with the heels by default. He lives up to his a**hole gimmick regardless of whether he's a heel or a face....

The problem is (as it always is with TNA/Russo) when they take it too far. Anderson works perfectly. He is a great tweener-heel. But look at the Angle-Jarrett feud. They put custody of their children on the line in a wrestling match!

That IS too far. I didn't mean real like their actual selves; just that their characters have faults and are stubborn about certain things like real people are. Most of them have both good qualities and bad ones; they aren't unrealistically perfect like John Cena and Rey Mysterio. They have their own individual prejudices, morals, and delusions....

badnewzxl wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote:

badnewzxl wrote:Let me also say this: TNA focuses more on their characters being REAL, people; not strictly heels or faces. It makes it a lot more realistic in my book. They're more like real ppl with each having their own faults and benefits. Anderson is the perfect example; he'll jump ANYBODY, but he doesn't side with the heels by default. He lives up to his a**hole gimmick regardless of whether he's a heel or a face....

The problem is (as it always is with TNA/Russo) when they take it too far. Anderson works perfectly. He is a great tweener-heel. But look at the Angle-Jarrett feud. They put custody of their children on the line in a wrestling match!

That IS too far. I didn't mean real like their actual selves; just that their characters have faults and are stubborn about certain things like real people are. Most of them have both good qualities and bad ones; they aren't unrealistically perfect like John Cena and Rey Mysterio. They have their own individual prejudices, morals, and delusions....

Cena? Unrealistically perfect? Do you remember the Nexus angle? He was driven to extremes. He was jumping people backstage, using weapons... basically all of the stuff that people loved seeing Austin do. I agree with you about Rey, but Cena: he is just as human as the next guy.

Big Red Machine wrote: Cena? Unrealistically perfect? Do you remember the Nexus angle? He was driven to extremes. He was jumping people backstage, using weapons... basically all of the stuff that people loved seeing Austin do. I agree with you about Rey, but Cena: he is just as human as the next guy.

When someone is DRIVEN TO EXTREMES, exceptions are made. What I mean is that Cena NEVER backs down from a challenge, he NEVER quits, and he NEVER cheats. He used to do these things when he was a heel; but ever since he won the WWE title from JBL, Cena has never done ANYTHING questionable. He always stands by his word (like when he had to join the Nexus) and NEVER crosses "the line" no matter what (he talked a lot of shit, but he didn't even attack the Rock after the Rock cost him hos FIRST loss at Wrestlemania, FOR THE WWE TITLE! C'mon, any REAL person would have been out for revenge on the guy who cost him a win streak AND the top title. But Cena, instead, did what the honorable good-guy would do and challenged Rock to a match instead.).

Austin didn't beat ppl up just bc they did something to him; Austin would beat ppl up if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Remember when he went around stunning EVERYONE in 98 or when he was commissioner? He would just do it bc he was in a good or bad mood; ppl can identify with being so angry you just don't give a damn who's in your way. Cena is far too noble for that; he'd make sure he took his aggression out on those who've harmed him. He'd never misdirect his anger, like MOST ppl often do.

It's like the difference between Wolverine and Cyclops in the X-Men: Cyclops follows orders to a T and makes sure everything he does is the "right" thing to do; Wolverine goes berserker mode and rarely cares much for anyone who gets in his way bc they should know better. Cena's character is too humble for me to sympathize with; when something happens to him, I always think "if he weren't such a pussy and just took that guy out, he wouldn't have that problem." Austin and Anderson I can sympathize with; they strike based on their vices (anger, envy) and not bc of some breach of their morals. Cena's not gonna go looking to lay a beatdown on Miz unless Miz has already attacked him; Austin will stun Chris Jericho just for being in the ring with him. Cena won't drop a guy just bc he doesn't like him; Austin would beat a guys ass even if he DID like him.

I don't think I know a single person who is like John Cena that I don't feel is a bit of a Ken Doll; this is why he gets those boos (cuz in all reality, the WWE Universe could give two shits whether or not their heroes can wrestler. The guys in the crowd can't identify with someone who is pure of heart). But I know countless ppl who are like Steve Austin; who will beat the hell out of you for being in their face on a bad day (cuz THAT'S what leads to situations in real life; circumstances, not a feeling of right or wrong.). For most ppl, emotions trump morals in the heat of the moment, and folks who don't "lose it" every now and again, just don't come off as realistic ppl....

badnewzxl wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote: Cena? Unrealistically perfect? Do you remember the Nexus angle? He was driven to extremes. He was jumping people backstage, using weapons... basically all of the stuff that people loved seeing Austin do. I agree with you about Rey, but Cena: he is just as human as the next guy.

When someone is DRIVEN TO EXTREMES, exceptions are made. What I mean is that Cena NEVER backs down from a challenge, he NEVER quits, and he NEVER cheats. He used to do these things when he was a heel; but ever since he won the WWE title from JBL, Cena has never done ANYTHING questionable. He always stands by his word (like when he had to join the Nexus) and NEVER crosses "the line" no matter what (he talked a lot of s**t, but he didn't even attack the Rock after the Rock cost him hos FIRST loss at Wrestlemania, FOR THE WWE TITLE! C'mon, any REAL person would have been out for revenge on the guy who cost him a win streak AND the top title. But Cena, instead, did what the honorable good-guy would do and challenged Rock to a match instead.).

Austin didn't beat ppl up just bc they did something to him; Austin would beat ppl up if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Remember when he went around stunning EVERYONE in 98 or when he was commissioner? He would just do it bc he was in a good or bad mood; ppl can identify with being so angry you just don't give a damn who's in your way. Cena is far too noble for that; he'd make sure he took his aggression out on those who've harmed him. He'd never misdirect his anger, like MOST ppl often do.

It's like the difference between Wolverine and Cyclops in the X-Men: Cyclops follows orders to a T and makes sure everything he does is the "right" thing to do; Wolverine goes berserker mode and rarely cares much for anyone who gets in his way bc they should know better. Cena's character is too humble for me to sympathize with; when something happens to him, I always think "if he weren't such a pussy and just took that guy out, he wouldn't have that problem." Austin and Anderson I can sympathize with; they strike based on their vices (anger, envy) and not bc of some breach of their morals. Cena's not gonna go looking to lay a beatdown on Miz unless Miz has already attacked him; Austin will stun Chris Jericho just for being in the ring with him. Cena won't drop a guy just bc he doesn't like him; Austin would beat a guys a** even if he DID like him.

I don't think I know a single person who is like John Cena that I don't feel is a bit of a Ken Doll; this is why he gets those boos (cuz in all reality, the WWE Universe could give two shits whether or not their heroes can wrestler. The guys in the crowd can't identify with someone who is pure of heart). But I know countless ppl who are like Steve Austin; who will beat the hell out of you for being in their face on a bad day (cuz THAT'S what leads to situations in real life; circumstances, not a feeling of right or wrong.). For most ppl, emotions trump morals in the heat of the moment, and folks who don't "lose it" every now and again, just don't come off as realistic ppl....

And people lauding Austin for things like that is ridiculous. That is Cena's character. He is noble. People can identify with Cena because he is what they wish that they were. He can control himself at times when many others can't. People didn't identify with Austin because he got angry. People identified with Austin because they were living vicariously through him. Have you ever wanted to slug your boss in the face? Stone Cold got to do that. Or just punch some jerk who annoyed you, consequences be damned? THAT is what Austin did.

Cena is the other side of that coin. If you have ever screwed up and did something you didn't mean to, you can live vicariously through Cena. Cena can control himself in situations where others can't. Humanity constantly deals with the struggle between impulse (often driven by emotion) and morality. Austin is the darker, more primal side of that equation. There is a reason that Austin is an anti-hero, while Cena is a straight, classical babyface.

And to look at your X-Men analogy: Every time that Wolverine's berserker fury winds up killing someone (the most recent run on X-Force not withstanding... and there is an example of Cyclops breaking the rules for you), he gets reprimanded. They don't say: "That guy should have known better than to fight against Wolverine" They say "killing is not okay. Wolverine went too far." There is a reason that Austin was arrested at least once a month.

badnewzxl wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote: Cena? Unrealistically perfect? Do you remember the Nexus angle? He was driven to extremes. He was jumping people backstage, using weapons... basically all of the stuff that people loved seeing Austin do. I agree with you about Rey, but Cena: he is just as human as the next guy.

When someone is DRIVEN TO EXTREMES, exceptions are made. What I mean is that Cena NEVER backs down from a challenge, he NEVER quits, and he NEVER cheats. He used to do these things when he was a heel; but ever since he won the WWE title from JBL, Cena has never done ANYTHING questionable. He always stands by his word (like when he had to join the Nexus) and NEVER crosses "the line" no matter what (he talked a lot of s**t, but he didn't even attack the Rock after the Rock cost him hos FIRST loss at Wrestlemania, FOR THE WWE TITLE! C'mon, any REAL person would have been out for revenge on the guy who cost him a win streak AND the top title. But Cena, instead, did what the honorable good-guy would do and challenged Rock to a match instead.).

Austin didn't beat ppl up just bc they did something to him; Austin would beat ppl up if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Remember when he went around stunning EVERYONE in 98 or when he was commissioner? He would just do it bc he was in a good or bad mood; ppl can identify with being so angry you just don't give a damn who's in your way. Cena is far too noble for that; he'd make sure he took his aggression out on those who've harmed him. He'd never misdirect his anger, like MOST ppl often do.

It's like the difference between Wolverine and Cyclops in the X-Men: Cyclops follows orders to a T and makes sure everything he does is the "right" thing to do; Wolverine goes berserker mode and rarely cares much for anyone who gets in his way bc they should know better. Cena's character is too humble for me to sympathize with; when something happens to him, I always think "if he weren't such a pussy and just took that guy out, he wouldn't have that problem." Austin and Anderson I can sympathize with; they strike based on their vices (anger, envy) and not bc of some breach of their morals. Cena's not gonna go looking to lay a beatdown on Miz unless Miz has already attacked him; Austin will stun Chris Jericho just for being in the ring with him. Cena won't drop a guy just bc he doesn't like him; Austin would beat a guys a** even if he DID like him.

I don't think I know a single person who is like John Cena that I don't feel is a bit of a Ken Doll; this is why he gets those boos (cuz in all reality, the WWE Universe could give two shits whether or not their heroes can wrestler. The guys in the crowd can't identify with someone who is pure of heart). But I know countless ppl who are like Steve Austin; who will beat the hell out of you for being in their face on a bad day (cuz THAT'S what leads to situations in real life; circumstances, not a feeling of right or wrong.). For most ppl, emotions trump morals in the heat of the moment, and folks who don't "lose it" every now and again, just don't come off as realistic ppl....

cena was not undefeated at WM,,he lost the triple threat to Orton with triple h not too long ago

Big Red Machine wrote:

badnewzxl wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote: Cena? Unrealistically perfect? Do you remember the Nexus angle? He was driven to extremes. He was jumping people backstage, using weapons... basically all of the stuff that people loved seeing Austin do. I agree with you about Rey, but Cena: he is just as human as the next guy.

When someone is DRIVEN TO EXTREMES, exceptions are made. What I mean is that Cena NEVER backs down from a challenge, he NEVER quits, and he NEVER cheats. He used to do these things when he was a heel; but ever since he won the WWE title from JBL, Cena has never done ANYTHING questionable. He always stands by his word (like when he had to join the Nexus) and NEVER crosses "the line" no matter what (he talked a lot of s**t, but he didn't even attack the Rock after the Rock cost him hos FIRST loss at Wrestlemania, FOR THE WWE TITLE! C'mon, any REAL person would have been out for revenge on the guy who cost him a win streak AND the top title. But Cena, instead, did what the honorable good-guy would do and challenged Rock to a match instead.).

Austin didn't beat ppl up just bc they did something to him; Austin would beat ppl up if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Remember when he went around stunning EVERYONE in 98 or when he was commissioner? He would just do it bc he was in a good or bad mood; ppl can identify with being so angry you just don't give a damn who's in your way. Cena is far too noble for that; he'd make sure he took his aggression out on those who've harmed him. He'd never misdirect his anger, like MOST ppl often do.

It's like the difference between Wolverine and Cyclops in the X-Men: Cyclops follows orders to a T and makes sure everything he does is the "right" thing to do; Wolverine goes berserker mode and rarely cares much for anyone who gets in his way bc they should know better. Cena's character is too humble for me to sympathize with; when something happens to him, I always think "if he weren't such a pussy and just took that guy out, he wouldn't have that problem." Austin and Anderson I can sympathize with; they strike based on their vices (anger, envy) and not bc of some breach of their morals. Cena's not gonna go looking to lay a beatdown on Miz unless Miz has already attacked him; Austin will stun Chris Jericho just for being in the ring with him. Cena won't drop a guy just bc he doesn't like him; Austin would beat a guys a** even if he DID like him.

I don't think I know a single person who is like John Cena that I don't feel is a bit of a Ken Doll; this is why he gets those boos (cuz in all reality, the WWE Universe could give two shits whether or not their heroes can wrestler. The guys in the crowd can't identify with someone who is pure of heart). But I know countless ppl who are like Steve Austin; who will beat the hell out of you for being in their face on a bad day (cuz THAT'S what leads to situations in real life; circumstances, not a feeling of right or wrong.). For most ppl, emotions trump morals in the heat of the moment, and folks who don't "lose it" every now and again, just don't come off as realistic ppl....

And people lauding Austin for things like that is ridiculous. That is Cena's character. He is noble. People can identify with Cena because he is what they wish that they were. He can control himself at times when many others can't. People didn't identify with Austin because he got angry. People identified with Austin because they were living vicariously through him. Have you ever wanted to slug your boss in the face? Stone Cold got to do that. Or just punch some jerk who annoyed you, consequences be damned? THAT is what Austin did.

Cena is the other side of that coin. If you have ever screwed up and did something you didn't mean to, you can live vicariously through Cena. Cena can control himself in situations where others can't. Humanity constantly deals with the struggle between impulse (often driven by emotion) and morality. Austin is the darker, more primal side of that equation. There is a reason that Austin is an anti-hero, while Cena is a straight, classical babyface.

And to look at your X-Men analogy: Every time that Wolverine's berserker fury winds up killing someone (the most recent run on X-Force not withstanding... and there is an example of Cyclops breaking the rules for you), he gets reprimanded. They don't say: "That guy should have known better than to fight against Wolverine" They say "killing is not okay. Wolverine went too far." There is a reason that Austin was arrested at least once a month.

I agree with you almost 100%; the thing I don't agree with you on is how/why the fans enjoy Austin and Cena. You think they relate to Cena bc that's the way they wish they were? That doesn't make sense. The mere idea of relating to another person implies that you ARE like said person. If you like chocolate, and I wish I could like chocolate, we can't relate bc I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO LIKE CHOCOLATE. See what I'm getting at? Cena is a wonderful role model; Austin was a great representation of American men. Most American men don't have the discipline that John Cena has, so they aren't gonna understand why he chooses to wait AN ENTIRE YEAR to fight the Rock; they would have been MUCH more inclined to open a can of whoop-ass from the get-go. Look at Orton and Cena with their separate beefs with the Nexus: It took Cena MONTHS to finally "take out" the factors that made the fight unfair; it only took Orton that ONE time at the Rumble before he was out to eliminate ALL of the Nexus.

And yeah, Austin was arrested, but he got sympathy from the fans for it; ppl thought he was only giving McMahon and others what they deserved while they just hid behind their money and power. Cena gets sympathy for getting beat up; that makes him come off as weak. Cena's "revenge" usually only involves him winning a match (which is noble; something kids should look up to). Austin's revenge involves him making you wish you never crossed him (which is what ppl WANT to do). And you are right about the Wolverine/Cyclops analogy, but the fact that Wolverine is and HAS BEEN the most popular X-Man only proves my point; people relate more to the vigilante than the upstanding citizen (at least in America)

badnewzxl wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote:

badnewzxl wrote: When someone is DRIVEN TO EXTREMES, exceptions are made. What I mean is that Cena NEVER backs down from a challenge, he NEVER quits, and he NEVER cheats. He used to do these things when he was a heel; but ever since he won the WWE title from JBL, Cena has never done ANYTHING questionable. He always stands by his word (like when he had to join the Nexus) and NEVER crosses "the line" no matter what (he talked a lot of s**t, but he didn't even attack the Rock after the Rock cost him hos FIRST loss at Wrestlemania, FOR THE WWE TITLE! C'mon, any REAL person would have been out for revenge on the guy who cost him a win streak AND the top title. But Cena, instead, did what the honorable good-guy would do and challenged Rock to a match instead.).

Austin didn't beat ppl up just bc they did something to him; Austin would beat ppl up if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Remember when he went around stunning EVERYONE in 98 or when he was commissioner? He would just do it bc he was in a good or bad mood; ppl can identify with being so angry you just don't give a damn who's in your way. Cena is far too noble for that; he'd make sure he took his aggression out on those who've harmed him. He'd never misdirect his anger, like MOST ppl often do.

It's like the difference between Wolverine and Cyclops in the X-Men: Cyclops follows orders to a T and makes sure everything he does is the "right" thing to do; Wolverine goes berserker mode and rarely cares much for anyone who gets in his way bc they should know better. Cena's character is too humble for me to sympathize with; when something happens to him, I always think "if he weren't such a pussy and just took that guy out, he wouldn't have that problem." Austin and Anderson I can sympathize with; they strike based on their vices (anger, envy) and not bc of some breach of their morals. Cena's not gonna go looking to lay a beatdown on Miz unless Miz has already attacked him; Austin will stun Chris Jericho just for being in the ring with him. Cena won't drop a guy just bc he doesn't like him; Austin would beat a guys a** even if he DID like him.

I don't think I know a single person who is like John Cena that I don't feel is a bit of a Ken Doll; this is why he gets those boos (cuz in all reality, the WWE Universe could give two shits whether or not their heroes can wrestler. The guys in the crowd can't identify with someone who is pure of heart). But I know countless ppl who are like Steve Austin; who will beat the hell out of you for being in their face on a bad day (cuz THAT'S what leads to situations in real life; circumstances, not a feeling of right or wrong.). For most ppl, emotions trump morals in the heat of the moment, and folks who don't "lose it" every now and again, just don't come off as realistic ppl....

And people lauding Austin for things like that is ridiculous. That is Cena's character. He is noble. People can identify with Cena because he is what they wish that they were. He can control himself at times when many others can't. People didn't identify with Austin because he got angry. People identified with Austin because they were living vicariously through him. Have you ever wanted to slug your boss in the face? Stone Cold got to do that. Or just punch some jerk who annoyed you, consequences be damned? THAT is what Austin did.

Cena is the other side of that coin. If you have ever screwed up and did something you didn't mean to, you can live vicariously through Cena. Cena can control himself in situations where others can't. Humanity constantly deals with the struggle between impulse (often driven by emotion) and morality. Austin is the darker, more primal side of that equation. There is a reason that Austin is an anti-hero, while Cena is a straight, classical babyface.

And to look at your X-Men analogy: Every time that Wolverine's berserker fury winds up killing someone (the most recent run on X-Force not withstanding... and there is an example of Cyclops breaking the rules for you), he gets reprimanded. They don't say: "That guy should have known better than to fight against Wolverine" They say "killing is not okay. Wolverine went too far." There is a reason that Austin was arrested at least once a month.

I agree with you almost 100%; the thing I don't agree with you on is how/why the fans enjoy Austin and Cena. You think they relate to Cena bc that's the way they wish they were? That doesn't make sense. The mere idea of relating to another person implies that you ARE like said person. If you like chocolate, and I wish I could like chocolate, we can't relate bc I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO LIKE CHOCOLATE. See what I'm getting at? Cena is a wonderful role model; Austin was a great representation of American men. Most American men don't have the discipline that John Cena has, so they aren't gonna understand why he chooses to wait AN ENTIRE YEAR to fight the Rock; they would have been MUCH more inclined to open a can of whoop-ass from the get-go. Look at Orton and Cena with their separate beefs with the Nexus: It took Cena MONTHS to finally "take out" the factors that made the fight unfair; it only took Orton that ONE time at the Rumble before he was out to eliminate ALL of the Nexus.

And yeah, Austin was arrested, but he got sympathy from the fans for it; ppl thought he was only giving McMahon and others what they deserved while they just hid behind their money and power. Cena gets sympathy for getting beat up; that makes him come off as weak. Cena's "revenge" usually only involves him winning a match (which is noble; something kids should look up to). Austin's revenge involves him making you wish you never crossed him (which is what ppl WANT to do). And you are right about the Wolverine/Cyclops analogy, but the fact that Wolverine is and HAS BEEN the most popular X-Man only proves my point; people relate more to the vigilante than the upstanding citizen (at least in America)

Most American men who are unhappy with their jobs want to flip their boss off and punch him in the face, but they don't. Cena and Austin are positive and negative of the same idea.

Your Cena-Orton comparison holds no water for a few reasons:
1. When Cena was feuding with them, Nexus was twice as big.
2. Cena had other things to deal with during that time (Sheamus, building a team to face Nexus... actually SELLING getting beaten down by not showing up for a few weeks).
3. For over a month, there were kayfabe restrictions on what Cena could do because he was forced to join Nexus.
4. Most importantly, the feuds were booked to be different lengths, and were very different feuds. Cena vs. Nexus was booked to last 8 months. Orton vs. Nexus was booked to last two... and Orton vs. Nexus wasn't really Orton vs. Nexus: It was just Orton vs. Punk, and Nexus happened to be there for Super-Randy to no-sell and kick the sh*t out of. It is all the booking of the feuds, not the characters.

Also, I don't think that Austin got any sympathy for being arrested. He was always happy being led off in handcuffs because he had caused mayhem, and the people cheered. That isn't sympathy. That is "ooooh. Look at Austin. What a badass. I wish I was a badass like that, too."

Austin was always arrested as a result of him doing something, rather than Vince just throwing him out of the arena.

That's why I say ppl can relate to Austin more; he's the way they truly are inside and the way they WANT to be outside. They want to be able to be reckless and in your face, but they can't.

Cena doesn't want to do any of those things bc in his mind they are "wrong" and he always WANTS to do the right thing. That's where he loses ppl, I believe. We all know we can't beat our bosses ass, but the fantasy provides us some solace. Cena doesn't come off as having that fantasy, so he loses that connection with the fans.

For the kids, Cena (like Hogan) is a perfect role model. But for adults, Austin plays out many of the fantasies and urges men have. I feel like it's a difference in demographics; grown men don't need anyone to tell them what's right and what's wrong (we've already had that, and it becomes kinda annoying watching someone else do it), which is prolly why most adult males aren't huge Cena fans. I feel like they enjoy more of the imperfect characters; guys who have personality flaws, bc we all know ppl (whom are great ppl) who have faults or biases or prejudices. It's just more realistic to me.

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FORTUNE!!!


Kaz, Daniels, AJ and Beer Money in a stable is MINT!!!!

The best thing right now about TNA is that I don't have to watch it every week.

Jokes.

Though I haven't watched it in a very long time, I want to say I like Bobby Roode, Alex Shelley, Chris Sabin (though I'm not sure what he's doing now) and AJ Styles. That's about it for me.

Serujuunin wrote:The best thing right now about TNA is that I don't have to watch it every week.

Jokes.

Though I haven't watched it in a very long time, I want to say I like Bobby Roode, Alex Shelley, Chris Sabin (though I'm not sure what he's doing now) and AJ Styles. That's about it for me.

Saben is injured. It was a terrible situation: Shelley had been injured, and the night he returned to save Saben from a beatdown from Mexican America, Saben got injured during the match. Hopefully he'll be well again soon and the MCMG will be back. I bet he hates having to miss Destination X....

I retract my previous statement: the best thing about current TNA isMiss Tessmacher! =p~ =p~ =p~ =p~

badnewzxl wrote:I retract my previous statement: the best thing about current TNA isMiss Tessmacher! =p~ =p~ =p~ =p~

A certain part of her possibly as your sig shows? :p