Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 18th, '21, 15:25 I've been watching Kidd for years. Hirsch and Frasier are both better than he his. Probably Garrison, too, but I haven't seen quite enough of him.

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '21, 20:52 Didn't realize Fletcher was so young.

Also, McKenzie under YUTA? Really? YUTA is a guy with potential. Suplex Millie is already great.

cero2k wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '21, 21:14

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '21, 20:52 Didn't realize Fletcher was so young.

Also, McKenzie under YUTA? Really? YUTA is a guy with potential. Suplex Millie is already great.

McKenzie also wrestles in the promotion that no one watches. Yuta has been all over some of the bigger promotions in the US all year

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 20th, '21, 08:30
This "promotion that no one watches" is the biggest in the UK or Ireland, and the second-biggest in all of Europe (or Africa, or Asia outside of Japan for that matter).

cero2k wrote: ↑Aug 20th, '21, 10:11

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 20th, '21, 08:30
This "promotion that no one watches" is the biggest in the UK or Ireland, and the second-biggest in all of Europe (or Africa, or Asia outside of Japan for that matter).

yeah, by default because they killed the competition, at the end of the day, WWE barely pays attention to it, it's at the same level of a 205Live or a Superstars

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 20th, '21, 10:50

Well... killed or bought.

Other than RevPro. But I don't think it's fair to call them irrelevant.

I'd also be quite curious to know what kind of numbers NXT UK does in the UK and Europe. Other than PROGRESS and, at various times, wXw, European promotions really don't seem to break through in North America the way that Japanese promotions do, but that doesn't mean that no one is watching.

cero2k wrote: ↑Aug 20th, '21, 15:27

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 20th, '21, 10:50

Well... killed or bought.

Other than RevPro. But I don't think it's fair to call them irrelevant.

I'd also be quite curious to know what kind of numbers NXT UK does in the UK and Europe. Other than PROGRESS and, at various times, wXw, European promotions really don't seem to break through in North America the way that Japanese promotions do, but that doesn't mean that no one is watching.

It's as irrelevant as a 205Live or an MLW or an Ice Ribbon, take it like that, people know of them, but they make zero noise other than the one time in a trimester that WALTER has a match. I have no reason to believe any of their wrestlers have upwards mobility. It wasn't long ago that Tyler Bate, and A-Kid, and Ben Carter were these huuge promises to wrestling, where are they?

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 20th, '21, 16:42
Carter just started. A-Kid is having awesome matches in NXT UK. He established a new title with a good reign, and now he's having a feud with Jordan Devlin designed to give him the rub. Bate... I never thought he was really that good. If the product it good, fans who claim they want good wrestling should be checking it out instead of wasting their time on Raw or pointless New Japan "Road to..." shows or watching eight hours a week of AEW squashes.

cero2k wrote: ↑Aug 21st, '21, 16:31

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 20th, '21, 16:42
Carter just started. A-Kid is having awesome matches in NXT UK. He established a new title with a good reign, and now he's having a feud with Jordan Devlin designed to give him the rub. Bate... I never thought he was really that good. If the product it good, fans who claim they want good wrestling should be checking it out instead of wasting their time on Raw or pointless New Japan "Road to..." shows or watching eight hours a week of AEW squashes.

How are people going to know it's good if it makes zero noise, if no one talks about it, no one knows about it. In that case, why would people waste their time with the 'good' WWE product when they could be watching Dragon Gate which is easily the best promotion in the world that no one watches.

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 22nd, '21, 10:38
I think there are noisemakers who could be making more noise about it instead of watching pointless sh*t like Dark or "Road to..." shows (*cough* Dave *cough*). Keller hires people to watch and talk about EVERYTHING.

As for Dragon Gate... I think NXT UK (and, really, most promotions) is more universal than Dragon Gate due to the style/selling. It's like a more mainstream version of Ultraviolent wrestling in that way. No matter how much the people who like it rave about it, there are some people (myself included) who would have to be pressed very hard to give even one match a shot because we know that in the end, we're going to hate the (lack of consistent) selling, which is key to the style that the people who love it love. DG has its supporters, but I'd expect NXT UK (or STARDOM or All Japan) to be getting more buzz than them because they're just more universal.