Big Red Machine wrote:A couple of things here:
1. First and foremost, if Ethan has filed an injunction to prevent Matt from appearing with the title because Ethan claims that he is the rightful champion and management stacked the deck against him, shouldn't also be legally demanding that the title be returned to him?
Not if they didn't ask for it. Plus Ethan didn't ask to nullify the match, just stop Hardy to appear in the show.

2. What about Tyrus' #1 contendership? If they were going to do this angle, then what was the point of even having that match on the show?
He can still be the No 1 contender once the series is over. He could get a free pass to the playoffs. Let's wait before we judge.

3. They tried the Bound For Glory Series three times and only managed to do it correctly once. Do they really think they can pull off something even more complicated?
With BFG they always failed because they had a limited amount of time, here they're pretty much open until they finish. Also, history may repeat itself, but lets not just jump to conclusions, this is not more complicated, with groups, it's actually less matches and playoffs have no complexity at all.

4. Do they even have 32 people on the roster? We

Roode
Lashley
Drew
Drake
Manik
Abyss
Shera
Robbie
Jessie
Mycah
Spud
Mandrews
Ethan
Tyrus
Eddie
Davey
Matt
Zema Ion
Melendez
Anderson
Tigre Uno
EY
Jeff (currently injured)
Bram (currently indefinitely suspended)
That's twenty-two guys they can use. If you throw in the women you have:
Gail
Velvet
Madison
Kong
Rebel
Marti
Jade
Brooke
Taryn (currently injured)
Angelina (currently preggers)
That's another eight, which still leaves them two short... and that's assuming that they use everyone in this and let the other four titles lie dormant, which is, of course, a terrible idea. And really... does anyone want to see half of these people anywhere close to the TNA World Heavyweight Title?
Austin Aries is doing it. Kenny King is in, Crazy steve is in. Andrew Everett just debuted. finding 32 wrestlers should be that hard. And it doesn't matter if they're not 'worthy' because it's an open company tournament that even includes the KOs. That makes it fair to everyone

5. How, exactly, are they planning on eliminating whichever women make it to the elimination part of this without resorting to man-on-woman violence?
it's 2015 and i think TNA is ready to start doing more inter-gender match, if not just do Kong vs Spud and have Kong bitchslap Spud for 10 minutes then Spun rolls her up.


This is just a completely terrible idea.
It is a fantastic idea, should be an interesting end of the year for TNA

cero2k wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote:A couple of things here:
1. First and foremost, if Ethan has filed an injunction to prevent Matt from appearing with the title because Ethan claims that he is the rightful champion and management stacked the deck against him, shouldn't also be legally demanding that the title be returned to him?
Not if they didn't ask for it. Plus Ethan didn't ask to nullify the match, just stop Hardy to appear in the show.
Yes. My point is that it is very stupid for Ethan to ask for one and not the other. In fact, the way an injunction against Matt specifically appearing on TV with the title makes the most sense is that if the reason Ethan doesn't want it happening is because it would mean public acknowledgement that Matt is the recognized champion, which Ethan is arguing that he shouldn't be.

2. What about Tyrus' #1 contendership? If they were going to do this angle, then what was the point of even having that match on the show?
He can still be the No 1 contender once the series is over. He could get a free pass to the playoffs. Let's wait before we judge.
That is something that should have been announced right away. It is a logical problem they should have thought of. I'm pretty sure the only reason Tyrus even won was to try to make us all thing that Ethan would retain in the main event.
The only way to do this and be fair to Tyrus is to give him a pass right into the finals (before this was announced, he was one win away from being world champion, so that is where he should get a bye to.
3. They tried the Bound For Glory Series three times and only managed to do it correctly once. Do they really think they can pull off something even more complicated?
With BFG they always failed because they had a limited amount of time, here they're pretty much open until they finish. Also, history may repeat itself, but lets not just jump to conclusions, this is not more complicated, with groups, it's actually less matches and playoffs have no complexity at all.
Except that "limited amount of time" excuse is bullsh*t because they shouldn't have even started the darn tournament before they had the whole thing booked (MAYBE you could leave yourself room to call in audible in the final four). Can you see New Japan starting the G1 without having every match booked out first?

4. Do they even have 32 people on the roster? We

Roode
Lashley
Drew
Drake
Manik
Abyss
Shera
Robbie
Jessie
Mycah
Spud
Mandrews
Ethan
Tyrus
Eddie
Davey
Matt
Zema Ion
Melendez
Anderson
Tigre Uno
EY
Jeff (currently injured)
Bram (currently indefinitely suspended)
That's twenty-two guys they can use. If you throw in the women you have:
Gail
Velvet
Madison
Kong
Rebel
Marti
Jade
Brooke
Taryn (currently injured)
Angelina (currently preggers)
That's another eight, which still leaves them two short... and that's assuming that they use everyone in this and let the other four titles lie dormant, which is, of course, a terrible idea. And really... does anyone want to see half of these people anywhere close to the TNA World Heavyweight Title?
Austin Aries is doing it. Kenny King is in, Crazy steve is in. Andrew Everett just debuted. finding 32 wrestlers should be that hard. And it doesn't matter if they're not 'worthy' because it's an open company tournament that even includes the KOs. That makes it fair to everyone
Do we have confirmation on those two? Because Kenny especially is rather surprising.
And I'm saying that having it be a tournament open to the whole company is a mistake precisely because there are so many people who have been made to look so unworthy and who no one gives a sh*t about. And do you really see TNA managing to successfully follow up each time a champion gets pinned?

5. How, exactly, are they planning on eliminating whichever women make it to the elimination part of this without resorting to man-on-woman violence?
it's 2015 and i think TNA is ready to start doing more inter-gender match, if not just do Kong vs Spud and have Kong bitchslap Spud for 10 minutes then Spun rolls her up.
And that would make Kong look bad, IMO.
I don't see how "it's 2015" is an excuse. It's something that is frowned upon by society. Yes, I know I've argued for inter-gender matches based on size before, but that is an ideal. TNA has to live in the real world, and they are not in a position to do things that are frowned upon by society.
And like I said above: all I see this doing is creating stagnation around the Knockouts Title and other titles. When your wold title is vacant, that is the time to start pushing a secondary title look like an important, main event belt. The best thing they could do for the Knockouts right now is to bring in fresh blood and let them be in main event spots while this world title tournament plays out.


This is just a completely terrible idea.
It is a fantastic idea, should be an interesting end of the year for TNA
When is this even being taped?

Big Red Machine wrote: Not if they didn't ask for it. Plus Ethan didn't ask to nullify the match, just stop Hardy to appear in the show.
Yes. My point is that it is very stupid for Ethan to ask for one and not the other. In fact, the way an injunction against Matt specifically appearing on TV with the title makes the most sense is that if the reason Ethan doesn't want it happening is because it would mean public acknowledgement that Matt is the recognized champion, which Ethan is arguing that he shouldn't be.
KAYFABEE!!! or maybe ECIII recognizes that he lost due to shenanigans, it doesn't matter, this is literally the least relevant part of this story.

He can still be the No 1 contender once the series is over. He could get a free pass to the playoffs. Let's wait before we judge.
That is something that should have been announced right away. It is a logical problem they should have thought of. I'm pretty sure the only reason Tyrus even won was to try to make us all thing that Ethan would retain in the main event.
The only way to do this and be fair to Tyrus is to give him a pass right into the finals (before this was announced, he was one win away from being world champion, so that is where he should get a bye to.
they BARELY announced the tournament, it hasn't even been 3 days since the PPV, they're barely announcing participants. We don't even know if Tyrus is in.

With BFG they always failed because they had a limited amount of time, here they're pretty much open until they finish. Also, history may repeat itself, but lets not just jump to conclusions, this is not more complicated, with groups, it's actually less matches and playoffs have no complexity at all.
Except that "limited amount of time" excuse is bullsh*t because they shouldn't have even started the darn tournament before they had the whole thing booked (MAYBE you could leave yourself room to call in audible in the final four). Can you see New Japan starting the G1 without having every match booked out first?
this is why everyone hates TNA, they barely annoucned it and you're already assuming that it's going to be terrible and badly booked and a mess. Yeah, it's a bad excuse, hopefully they learned, they planned this since July remember.

Austin Aries is doing it. Kenny King is in, Crazy steve is in. Andrew Everett just debuted. finding 32 wrestlers should be that hard. And it doesn't matter if they're not 'worthy' because it's an open company tournament that even includes the KOs. That makes it fair to everyone
Do we have confirmation on those two? Because Kenny especially is rather surprising.
And I'm saying that having it be a tournament open to the whole company is a mistake precisely because there are so many people who have been made to look so unworthy and who no one gives a sh*t about. And do you really see TNA managing to successfully follow up each time a champion gets pinned?
http://www.impactwrestling.com/news/ite ... tle-Series

if someone is not worthy or weak, then they're eliminated in the RR part. Like CM Punk said, how are they gonna learn and look better if you don't give them a chance. If that is really a problem to you, then you must HATE the rumble or company wide battle royales. The cream rises to the top at the playoffs anyway.

it's 2015 and i think TNA is ready to start doing more inter-gender match, if not just do Kong vs Spud and have Kong bitchslap Spud for 10 minutes then Spun rolls her up.
And that would make Kong look bad, IMO.
I don't see how "it's 2015" is an excuse. It's something that is frowned upon by society. Yes, I know I've argued for inter-gender matches based on size before, but that is an ideal. TNA has to live in the real world, and they are not in a position to do things that are frowned upon by society.
And like I said above: all I see this doing is creating stagnation around the Knockouts Title and other titles. When your wold title is vacant, that is the time to start pushing a secondary title look like an important, main event belt. The best thing they could do for the Knockouts right now is to bring in fresh blood and let them be in main event spots while this world title tournament plays out.
society won't change until you push it. If you do a match where the women is as competent as the men, then good. that's an actual divas revolution. And there is no spot to push other titles because everyone is part of the tournament, knockouts entering makes them relevant and included.

This is just a completely terrible idea.
It is a fantastic idea, should be an interesting end of the year for TNA
When is this even being taped?
they've done a bunch of house shows, they've taped here and there, and they have tons of unaired matches that can be used for the round robin part.

cero2k wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote: Not if they didn't ask for it. Plus Ethan didn't ask to nullify the match, just stop Hardy to appear in the show.
Yes. My point is that it is very stupid for Ethan to ask for one and not the other. In fact, the way an injunction against Matt specifically appearing on TV with the title makes the most sense is that if the reason Ethan doesn't want it happening is because it would mean public acknowledgement that Matt is the recognized champion, which Ethan is arguing that he shouldn't be.
KAYFABEE!!! or maybe ECIII recognizes that he lost due to shenanigans, it doesn't matter, this is literally the least relevant part of this story.
I actually think it is the most important logical element. This is, after all, the reason why they need to have this tournament in the first place. It doesn't make sense that Ethan only wanted to block Matt from appearing as champion because he thought the match was unfair, but wouldn't want the result overturned and want the title back.


He can still be the No 1 contender once the series is over. He could get a free pass to the playoffs. Let's wait before we judge.
That is something that should have been announced right away. It is a logical problem they should have thought of. I'm pretty sure the only reason Tyrus even won was to try to make us all thing that Ethan would retain in the main event.
The only way to do this and be fair to Tyrus is to give him a pass right into the finals (before this was announced, he was one win away from being world champion, so that is where he should get a bye to.
they BARELY announced the tournament, it hasn't even been 3 days since the PPV, they're barely announcing participants. We don't even know if Tyrus is in.
So they've announced a big tournament but they don't even know who is in it?
This is an issue that needs to be addressed on tonight's Impact at the latest. You would think Tyrus would asks about it, after all.

With BFG they always failed because they had a limited amount of time, here they're pretty much open until they finish. Also, history may repeat itself, but lets not just jump to conclusions, this is not more complicated, with groups, it's actually less matches and playoffs have no complexity at all.
Except that "limited amount of time" excuse is bullsh*t because they shouldn't have even started the darn tournament before they had the whole thing booked (MAYBE you could leave yourself room to call in audible in the final four). Can you see New Japan starting the G1 without having every match booked out first?
this is why everyone hates TNA, they barely annoucned it and you're already assuming that it's going to be terrible and badly booked and a mess. Yeah, it's a bad excuse, hopefully they learned, they planned this since July remember.
They had Aces & Eights planned out for a year and that sucked. Same with Immortal. I think I am completely justified in my lack of faith.

Austin Aries is doing it. Kenny King is in, Crazy steve is in. Andrew Everett just debuted. finding 32 wrestlers should be that hard. And it doesn't matter if they're not 'worthy' because it's an open company tournament that even includes the KOs. That makes it fair to everyone
Do we have confirmation on those two? Because Kenny especially is rather surprising.
And I'm saying that having it be a tournament open to the whole company is a mistake precisely because there are so many people who have been made to look so unworthy and who no one gives a sh*t about. And do you really see TNA managing to successfully follow up each time a champion gets pinned?
http://www.impactwrestling.com/news/ite ... tle-Series
Okay... so this has all been pre-taped under everyone's noses. Props to them for that, I guess.

if someone is not worthy or weak, then they're eliminated in the RR part. Like CM Punk said, how are they gonna learn and look better if you don't give them a chance. If that is really a problem to you, then you must HATE the rumble or company wide battle royales. The cream rises to the top at the playoffs anyway.
That's a fair point, but I think the difference is that a lot of these guys have been given a million title shots for no reason and always lose,(Fun fact: Andrew Everett has wrestled three matches in TNA. ALL OF THEM were title matches. He lost all three.) to the point where they just register in my brain as complete and total jobbers. The fact that they lose a million straight title matches or #1 contendership matches makes them feel like failures in a way that even WWE job guys rarely do because they accumulate the same amount of losses, but their failures are even more high-stakes.

it's 2015 and i think TNA is ready to start doing more inter-gender match, if not just do Kong vs Spud and have Kong bitchslap Spud for 10 minutes then Spun rolls her up.
And that would make Kong look bad, IMO.
I don't see how "it's 2015" is an excuse. It's something that is frowned upon by society. Yes, I know I've argued for inter-gender matches based on size before, but that is an ideal. TNA has to live in the real world, and they are not in a position to do things that are frowned upon by society.
And like I said above: all I see this doing is creating stagnation around the Knockouts Title and other titles. When your wold title is vacant, that is the time to start pushing a secondary title look like an important, main event belt. The best thing they could do for the Knockouts right now is to bring in fresh blood and let them be in main event spots while this world title tournament plays out.
society won't change until you push it. If you do a match where the women is as competent as the men, then good. that's an actual divas revolution. And there is no spot to push other titles because everyone is part of the tournament, knockouts entering makes them relevant and included.
Like I said above: I've been advocating inter-gender matches like this for years. I just think it is a mistake in this case.
I agree that society won't change unless you push it, but because of the preconceived notions society has about pro wrestling, pro wrestling is not a medium that can help to push this particular issue.
There would have been a spot to push other titles if they hadn't shoved every single person in the company into this tournament. Having a million straight Impacts of all tournament matches is going to get boring after a while. I think the G1 has proven that. Even big puro fans have trouble sitting through every single one of the tournament matches. All of the tournament matches (especially in the first few weeks) will all be of equal importance, with nothing (aside from star power) to make one deserve a main event spot over any other, and even then you'll have a bunch of matches with even star power. This is a great opportunity to tell a good story with the Knockouts or tag teams building to title matches which, by their nature will be more deserving of the main event spot than a random tournament match and will have the sort of build to them that, when combined with a main event spot, will help rebuild the title.

This is just a completely terrible idea.
It is a fantastic idea, should be an interesting end of the year for TNA
When is this even being taped?
they've done a bunch of house shows, they've taped here and there, and they have tons of unaired matches that can be used for the round robin part.