KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 29th, '18, 22:29 Also I meant to further elaborate...you're telling me that ultra fighter and submission grappler Asuka couldn't beat a figure four?

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 29th, '18, 22:45

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 29th, '18, 22:43

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 29th, '18, 22:26 Asuka was Sooooo high above Charlotte though and then lost to a simple submission. One way or another that's how it happened. Basic stuff.

She lost to a leg submission after Charlotte worked her leg over all match. That's how submissions work. Anyone can tap to anyone if they work the body part over and then lock the hold in well.

Tell me how disqualifications work next ?

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 29th, '18, 23:05 This is also has a lot to do with, fuck Charlotte Reigns always beating my favorites just because she always has to be the one, even though they're obviously superior.

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 29th, '18, 23:43

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 29th, '18, 23:05 This is also has a lot to do with, fuck Charlotte Reigns always beating my favorites just because she always has to be the one, even though they're obviously superior.

Obviously superior? Really? She's a better promo than Asuka or Becky and less of a danger to herself than Sasha.

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 29th, '18, 23:52

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 29th, '18, 23:43

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 29th, '18, 23:05 This is also has a lot to do with, fuck Charlotte Reigns always beating my favorites just because she always has to be the one, even though they're obviously superior.

Obviously superior? Really? She's a better promo than Asuka or Becky and less of a danger to herself than Sasha.

Asuka can't even always speak so well buy still has so much natural charisma lol. What was it about Charlotte busting an implant and cracking a tooth lol.

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 30th, '18, 10:50 I might have said it already, but such a huge moment and streak doesn't feel like essentially a leg lock is big enough to end it. Give it a no disqualification brutal match then fine, but it just didn't feel enough for multiple reasons.

Bob-O wrote: ↑Aug 31st, '18, 09:23 1. If you don't have the belt on Charlotte, what do you do with her? She carries herself in a way that it's awkward to see her without it. She's the only woman on the roster that carries herself this way. It's a "Champions" vs "Title Holders" debate, like when sports teams bring out the dreaded third jersey for a game, she just doesn't look right without it.

2. With Asuke, you gotta forget what you knew about her on NXT. Vince doesn't watch it. Vince needed an Asian to round out Diversity Day and said "Hunter, you go out there and get me the best damn Asian you can find!" Hunter did, put her in his developmental system and treated her like you treat wrestlers in 2018 and it was awesome. To respect Asuke's streak on the main roster would be altering a "Big Picture" that she was never meant to be a part of. She's not "WWE Universe" friendly as a singles star, but rounds out group photos nicely.

With that in mind, and NXT out of mind, I'm fine with her losing to Charlotte at Wrestlemania. It's the losses to The Iconics and Carmella that cross the line for me. I'm fine with her not Goldberging the women's division, but I'll take her tapping out to a figure four over her getting outsmarted by James Elsworth. Keep that shit on Raw.


It's the NXT dilemma, and it's not a ~bad~ thing, but it sucks. That show is SO GOOD that without completely redefining the Billion Dollar Machine, it's going to be frustrating. Getting called up feels like a demotion. There's only so many top spots.

I really wish they'd let Hunter do a 'C' show as a segway between NXT and the Main Roster shows, ala ECW. Let developmental be developmental, but have that spot for guys to go that aren't being used and guys that are bottlenecking NXT's process because there's nothing for them on the main roster. So you have a place for your Ricochets and your Undisputed Eras and your AOP's, but also mixing in your Ascensions and your Tyler Breezes, a place somebody like Balor or Sami could pop into once in a while and not feel like it's a demotion. A place where a streak like Asuke's or Black's COULD BE worked into Raw or Smackdown and actually mean something.

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 31st, '18, 10:15

That's because she's won 7 titles in 3 years or less when it's taken others more than 10 or almost 20 or more years to accomplish twice of that lol.

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 31st, '18, 10:34

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 31st, '18, 10:15

That's because she's won 7 titles in 3 years or less when it's taken others more than 10 or almost 20 or more years to accomplish twice of that lol.

But as I've pointed out, that's not unique to Charlotte. She's got seven in just over three years. Bliss has won five in just under two (and in terms of actual dates of winning the title, Bliss won all of hers in just over a year and a half). Sasha had four in just over two years, and actually won all of them within a span of thirteen months. That's just how WWE books.

cero2k wrote: ↑Aug 31st, '18, 10:38

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 31st, '18, 10:34

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 31st, '18, 10:15

That's because she's won 7 titles in 3 years or less when it's taken others more than 10 or almost 20 or more years to accomplish twice of that lol.

But as I've pointed out, that's not unique to Charlotte. She's got seven in just over three years. Bliss has won five in just under two (and in terms of actual dates of winning the title, Bliss won all of hers in just over a year and a half). Sasha had four in just over two years, and actually won all of them within a span of thirteen months. That's just how WWE books.

And a lot of people think Alexa is overrated and that Sasha was terribly booked for losing all those titles so quickly. it's bad booking, but that's a point aside.

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 31st, '18, 10:15 That's because she's won 7 titles in 3 years or less when it's taken others more than 10 or almost 20 or more years to accomplish twice of that lol.

Bob-O wrote: ↑Aug 31st, '18, 11:33
My point being, is that at least it matters now. Nobody is pissed that Kelly Kelly never got a fair chance or that Mickie James was burying people. It didn't matter.