Re: Your 5 star matches
Posted: Apr 8th, '18, 16:01
I'm sure Dave is gonna go beyond 5 stars for it.
http://thewrestlingrevolution.com/forum/
http://thewrestlingrevolution.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6069
I'm sure Dave is gonna go beyond 5 stars for it.
Will Ospreay vs KUSHIDA from NJPW WD18 Night 2Big Red Machine wrote: ↑May 3rd, '18, 20:06 Will Ospreay vs. Adam Brooks from PWG Time is a Flat Circle.
I'm 100% sure that Bryan talked him down from the 5 because 'Ospreay is killing himself'. I really thought this was the show that would have 2 five stars. If you listen to that WON, Dave comes in all excited and Alvarez just talked him out of itBig Red Machine wrote: ↑May 10th, '18, 08:55 Dave gave Okada vs. Tanahashi *****1/2, but only gave KUSHIDA vs. Ospreay ****3/4. DOes he have it in for KUSHIDA or something?
Yeah. Alvarez does that sometimes. I think he refused to give Shawn vs. Taker at WM25 ***** until he was certain Taker wasn't hurt, and then he never got around to watching the match back.cero2k wrote: ↑May 10th, '18, 09:57I'm 100% sure that Bryan talked him down from the 5 because 'Ospreay is killing himself'. I really thought this was the show that would have 2 five stars. If you listen to that WON, Dave comes in all excited and Alvarez just talked him out of itBig Red Machine wrote: ↑May 10th, '18, 08:55 Dave gave Okada vs. Tanahashi *****1/2, but only gave KUSHIDA vs. Ospreay ****3/4. DOes he have it in for KUSHIDA or something?
to me it was the Essex Destroyer and the DDT to the outside, but idk, i guess i didn't see the replays he saw, but they seemed to be ok.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑May 10th, '18, 10:11
Yeah. Alvarez does that sometimes. I think he refused to give Shawn vs. Taker at WM25 ***** until he was certain Taker wasn't hurt, and then he never got around to watching the match back.
I don't want Ospreay to be paralyzed, either, but the dude is an adult and whether he is hurt or not shouldn't influence a rating. It's not like this is the Steenerico vs. Briscoes Ladder War where Dave refused to rate it because he didn't want people hurting themselves trying to top it (which even then was specious but understandable because it was just a few months post-Benoit, and Gabe had basically immediately said he would never book another one or anything similar to the post-match angle for the same reason). That was weapons and stuff. This was a wrestling match with a guy who happened to have an injured neck. I'm not an expert, but to me the thing that seemed the most dangerous were a lot of those kicks to the head and that punch rather than the "head-landing spots," which guys like Ophidian have made a career out of doing safely even though they look like they're landing right on their foreheads. I saw BJ Whitmer almost get paralyzed live (the first one) and this looked nothing like that.
it's technically better than Omega vs Okada IVBig Red Machine wrote: ↑Jul 5th, '18, 03:01 Buddy Murphy vs. Mustafa Ali from this week's 205 Live. You MUST watch this match.
Yes. If they wanted to do stay outside the ring for five straight minutes they should have had a match with no count-outs. If Gabe can change his rules to match the style of the day why can't other promoters do it? It's supposed to be a sport. "Lebron was out of bounds, but it was such a cool play that the referee has decided to allow it" is not a phrase you'd ever hear in the NBA.cero2k wrote: ↑Jul 5th, '18, 07:48it's technically better than Omega vs Okada IVBig Red Machine wrote: ↑Jul 5th, '18, 03:01 Buddy Murphy vs. Mustafa Ali from this week's 205 Live. You MUST watch this match.
you do in Soccer tho, playing an advantage, but at the end of the day, in NBA, Soccer, and what not, it is ALWAYS to the discretion of the refs, so if the refs allows plays to go, then the plays are allowed to go. this is a fake sport where drama can get killed if they try to maintain rules that are only taking you and bill watts out of the match.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Jul 5th, '18, 10:41Yes. If they wanted to do stay outside the ring for five straight minutes they should have had a match with no count-outs. If Gabe can change his rules to match the style of the day why can't other promoters do it? It's supposed to be a sport. "Lebron was out of bounds, but it was such a cool play that the referee has decided to allow it" is not a phrase you'd ever hear in the NBA.cero2k wrote: ↑Jul 5th, '18, 07:48it's technically better than Omega vs Okada IVBig Red Machine wrote: ↑Jul 5th, '18, 03:01 Buddy Murphy vs. Mustafa Ali from this week's 205 Live. You MUST watch this match.
Soccer is a horrific example, considering that they don't even play a consistent amount of time in every game. This "stoppage time" silliness needs to stop right away. Just blow the whistle and stop the clock when the ball goes out of bounds. That way you don't have to round to the nearest minute and every game can be played for the same amount of time like it's supposed to be.cero2k wrote: ↑Jul 5th, '18, 11:02you do in Soccer tho, playing an advantage, but at the end of the day, in NBA, Soccer, and what not, it is ALWAYS to the discretion of the refs, so if the refs allows plays to go, then the plays are allowed to go. this is a fake sport where drama can get killed if they try to maintain rules that are only taking you and bill watts out of the match.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Jul 5th, '18, 10:41Yes. If they wanted to do stay outside the ring for five straight minutes they should have had a match with no count-outs. If Gabe can change his rules to match the style of the day why can't other promoters do it? It's supposed to be a sport. "Lebron was out of bounds, but it was such a cool play that the referee has decided to allow it" is not a phrase you'd ever hear in the NBA.
except it is not a problem, it's only your problem, no one else complains about it, especially to the point where they're willing to hinder what is considered, by laaarge (majority?) consensus of wrestling fans, the best wrestling match ever. I believe Gabe is a good booker and I believe that he made that call because it made sense to THAT specific story, not because he learned that his guys are going to spend more than 20 seconds outside the ring and they don't want to break a count.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Jul 5th, '18, 11:40
Soccer is a horrific example, considering that they don't even play a consistent amount of time in every game. This "stoppage time" silliness needs to stop right away. Just blow the whistle and stop the clock when the ball goes out of bounds. That way you don't have to round to the nearest minute and every game can be played for the same amount of time like it's supposed to be.
Yes, it's up to the referee's discretion, but there is a certain level that is just WAY over the line, which gets crossed in basically every match. In a real sport, when a call that is up to the referee's discretion winds up going against the rules and affects the outcome of the came, that referee is absolutely crucified. And during the game, the announcers always preach fidelity to the rules. They will try to explain to you what they think the referee saw (or didn't see) that resulted in the referee making the call he/she made. That is vastly different from what we see most places in pro wrestling nowadays where the referee blatantly ignores the rules and the announcers hail him/her as some sort of hero for doing so.
As for the Watts analogy, that doesn't hold any water. Watts' changes to the in-ring product all had to do with psychology. He took away top rope stuff because he thought he could retrain the audience to accept it as this sort of devastating thing that heels could do illegally to hurt the babyface, not because he had some hatred for this new-fangled jumping stuff.
There is a clear and obvious solution to this problem. Gabe found it. Why can't anyone else?