My issue is that we get something that absolutely should lead to a fight and doesn't (the Fale vs. Tonga and especially Fale vs. AJ G1 matches are the best examples of this). Similarly, we had Ishii pin Okada in the G1 last year and he STILL hasn't gotten a title shot almost a year later. If they're babyfaces they should have no problem wrestling each other in a good, clean, professional wrestling match for the world championship. They have this system of stables that is rarely ever relevant aside from the occasional heel interference, and even when the heels do interfere we rarely get babyfaces from the babyface's stable coming out to chase them away. Nine times out of ten the stables don't really matter. They're a kayfabe reason for why guys are teaming together in six/eight/ten-man tags but even that doesn't hold water because the various combinations of Tanahashi/Elgin/KUSHIDA/Taguchi never needed a reason to team together. All these stables really do (especially at this point, when it's not like Bullet Club really even interfere for each other anymore) is serve as a restriction to the booking which makes the booking of the G1 even worse due to lack of follow-up on things they're forced to do because of how they like to book the tournament, and create cards that are a lot less diverse over time than they should be. Why does it always have to be Roppongi Vice teaming up with Goto/Ishii/YOSHI-HASHI in a six-man against Bullet Club? Why can't it be reDRagon or the Sydal/Ricochet team (yes, I realize that neither of those teams are in New Japan anymore, but it's the general idea that is important).cero2k wrote: ↑May 25th, '17, 12:03Just because we've seen it before, doesn't mean all stablemates now have to fight, you can have some do it, some that don't.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑May 25th, '17, 10:45
Then you'll have to explain it to me because I'm missing it, too. Nothing about it makes any sense. We see guys in the same stable fight each other in the G1, so why not in BOSJ, especially if BOSJ is supposed to be the G1 for the junior heavyweights? If the idea is that they're stablemates and just don't want to fight each other then how does a finish involving a low blow make any sense? And a dude kicking his stablemate in the nuts to screw him out of a win in a major tournament is a f*cking break-up angle, but we all know that will never happen because it's Gedo's New Japan and, despite their ability to make stars they still manage to feel stale because of their insane devotion to these stables. I've been watching New Japan for close to FIVE YEARS now, and in that time the only time I can ever remember someone leaving a stable when it wasn't their last night in the company was Iizuka leaving CHAOS for Suzuki-Gun, and even that led to the most stale feud in the history of any promotion ever when he feuded with Yano and they had the stalest matches ever because all they did was the same schtik over and over again. They wasted twelve minutes of my life. F*ck them.
I saw nothing that showed them growing any more eager to touch each other until they did. And no, I don't see Suzuki-Gun sack-tapping each other backstage (I could see Rocky Romero going around sack-tapping people, but that's because Rocky Romero is one of the most annoying people in the history of wrestling). They're supposed to be deadly scary. They're Suzuki-Gun. They hurt people.cero2k wrote: ↑May 25th, '17, 12:03I don't see it as two guys that didn't want to fight each other, this (and pretty much all other Suzuki Gun matches), you can tell that they come out with a plan, this time you had Taka and Taichi, that had planned not to fight each other, make it seem like they were, but just stall and get the time limit draw for a point each, as the time progressed, both men started to get an itch about that extra point, because even if they made a plan, they would still want to win the cup, so that's when they start actually messing with each other. at the end, it's all off, both want the 2 pts and and fuck it. Yeah, there was a low blow, but they're also a stable of thugs and heels, they do that and shake hands afterwards like nothing happened, they probably low blow each other all the time backstage having fun. You could see it in Taka's face sayng "you cheeky bastard, you got me". This isn't catchpoint, this is Suzuki Gun.
Maybe this scenario would have worked better at a later point in the tournament when there are fewer matches left to catch up if you're down on points so guys would be more desperate, but I just didn't see any of that here. It felt like two heels who went out there to troll the viewing audience.